Gen 7:18-20 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. 20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered. High Hills and Mountains already existed pre-flood, apparently. So I guess plate tectonics had already been going on. Gen 7:21-24 21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. So after 40 days, all of the millions or billions of men were dead. Yet no fossil evidence. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
Mods, please ban this trolling fool. IAC, please explain how a nearly incompressible fluid can more than triple its density.
My deepest apologies, I misstated it, thanks for catching that, it's 80% by VOLUME when under pressure as magma, sorry about that.
Wow D H, a guy makes an innocent misstatement, and you demand that he be banned, get a life. So 80% of magma by volume is water which came through the midoceanic rift zones, the "fountains of the deep," the Deluge water.
Just out of curiosity, what caused all that magma to suddenly come through the midoceanic rift zones?
So the new oceanic crust, because of runaway plate tectonics and the rift zones, composes perhaps half of the surface of the Earth, and that crust is about 10 miles thick, so about 8 miles of water (80%) would be over it, that water now part of the world ocean, which slid off the then thickening continents into the then deepening ocean basins, pretty cool, eh?
The exploded planet which was between Jupiter and Mars caused debris to strike the Earth, inducing the Deluge.
Yes, I can rationalize anything I want to as well. No human fossils with Dino fossils. Pretty cool, eh?
Here's how: Runaway subduction or plate tectonics argument John Baumgardner created the runaway subduction model, which proposes that the pre-Flood lithosphere (ocean floor), being denser than the underlying mantle, began sinking. The heat released in the process decreased the viscosity of the mantle, so the process accelerated catastrophically. All the original lithosphere became subducted; the rising magma which replaced it raised the ocean floor, causing sea levels to rise and boiling off enough of the ocean to cause 150 days of rain. When it cooled, the ocean floor lowered again, and the Flood waters receded. Sedimentary mountains such as the Sierras and Andes rose after the Flood by isostatic rebound. [Baumgardner, 1990a; Austin et al., 1994] - The main difficulty of this theory is that it admittedly doesn't work without miracles. [Baumgardner, 1990a, 1990b] The thermal diffusivity of the earth, for example, would have to increase 10,000 fold to get the subduction rates proposed [Matsumura, 1997], and miracles are also necessary to cool the new ocean floor and to raise sedimentary mountains in months rather than in the millions of years it would ordinarily take. - Baumgardner estimates a release of 1028 joules from the subduction process. This is more than enough to boil off all the oceans. In addition, Baumgardner postulates that the mantle was much hotter before the Flood (giving it greater viscosity); that heat would have to go somewhere, too. - Cenozoic sediments are post-Flood according to this model. Yet fossils from Cenozoic sediments alone show a 65-million-year record of evolution, including a great deal of the diversification of mammals and angiosperms. [Carroll, 1997, chpts. 5, 6, & 13] - Subduction on the scale Baumgardner proposes would have produced very much more vulcanism around plate boundaries than we see. [Matsumura, 1997] New ocean basin argument Most flood models (including those above, possibly excepting Hovind's) deal with the water after the flood by proposing that it became our present oceans. The earth's terrain, according to this model, was much, much flatter during the Flood, and through cataclysms, the mountains were pushed up and the ocean basins lowered. (Brown proposes that the cataclysms were caused by the crust sliding around on a cushion of water; Whitcomb & Morris don't give a cause.) - How could such a change be effected? To change the density and/or temperature of at least a quarter of the earth's crust fast enough to raise and lower the ocean floor in a matter of months would require mechanisms beyond any proposed in any of the flood models. - Why are most sediments on high ground? Most sediments are carried until the water slows down or stops. If the water stopped in the oceans, we should expect more sediments there. Baumgardner's own modeling shows that, during the Flood, currents would be faster over continents than over ocean basins [Baumgardner, 1994], so sediments should, on the whole, be removed from continents and deposited in ocean basins. Yet sediments on the ocean basin average 0.6 km thick, while on continents (including continental shelves), they average 2.6 km thick. [Poldervaart, 1955] - Where's the evidence? The water draining from the continents would have produced tremendous torrents. There is evidence of similar flooding in the Scablands of Washington state (from the draining of a lake after the breaking of an ice dam) and on the far western floor of the Mediterranean Sea (from the ocean breaking through the Straits of Gibralter). Why is such evidence not found worldwide? - How did the ark survive the process? Such a wholesale restructuring of the earth's topography, compressed into just a few months, would have produced tsunamis large enough to circle the earth. The aftershocks alone would have been devastating for years afterwards. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html#flood Plus no human fossils or modern mammal fossils are ever found with dino fossils. How 'bout them apples? This points out how your whole theory is based on miracles. From the planets exploding, to the animals joyfully trotting to the ark from all over the world, to the fact that Noah's ark didn't get capsized by a tsunami, etc. your entire theory relies on miracles. Pretty cool, eh?
Wrong again. Under pressure, water's density is still about 1 gm/cc, a lot less than that of magma. The 80% number is pure fiction, whether it is by WEIGHT or by VOLUME. You did not make a mistake. You lied.
Hey D H, get an education, go look at "For Genesis Deluge Doubters," I look forward to your comments.
I think they've been drinking too much....check out their latest update! http://www.soc.soton.ac.uk/gg/classroom@sea/JC007/diary/diary_12-04.html
I second that motion. Ice Age has frozen the progressive constructive content of this thread and turned it into another one of his self-entertaining follies. It now drifts away into his idealic dream-world Nether-Nether land.
