Excessive use of force in war

Discussion in 'History' started by spacemansteve, Jun 20, 2006.

  1. oralloy Registered Senior Member

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    Civilians were not the target, and the bombs didn't kill anywhere near 300,000 people



    Nope. Overt military acts are not terrorism.



    The figures from the Joint Chiefs of Staff projected 1,200,000 American casualties from Operation Downfall, including 267,000 American dead.

    The Secretary of War's office commissioned a study by William Shockley that estimated American casualties from invading and conquering Japan would be 1,700,000 to 4,000,000 (American fatalities would be 400,000 to 800,000).



    Leahy said he didn't agree with it in hindsight. He wasn't objecting when the war was still raging.

    Ike claims to have opposed it, but his story of opposition is so full of inaccuracies that it is clear that he was making it up to bolster his image for posterity.
     
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  3. oralloy Registered Senior Member

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    Hiroshima also held the military headquarters in charge of the defense of the southern half of Japan.

    The "assembly area for troops" thing should be expanded on to note that tens of thousands of troops were assembled in Hiroshima when it was nuked.
     
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  5. oralloy Registered Senior Member

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    Why would the military headquarters in charge of repelling our invasion be worth bombing?

    Why would tens of thousands of enemy soldiers be worth bombing?

    Sheesh!
     
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  7. oralloy Registered Senior Member

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    If that was adequate provocation for Pearl Harbor, then Hiroshima and Nagasaki were more than adequately provoked.



    Our terms were in no way unreasonable, and we did not target civilians or engage in terrorism.
     
  8. oralloy Registered Senior Member

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    Japan did not have "one condition" until AFTER Nagasaki was nuked.

    And we did not agree to that condition, and forced Japan to surrender without it.



    The target at Hiroshima was the tens of thousands of soldiers in Hiroshima's large military districts, as well as the military headquarters in charge of the defense of the southern half of Japan.

    The target at Nagasaki was the large armament factories on the outskirts of the city.

    America's target at Dresden was the railyards outside of town.
     
  9. oralloy Registered Senior Member

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    Um, no. The estimate from the Joint Chiefs of Staff of 267,000 American dead was from before the bomb was dropped, as was the estimate of 400,000 - 800,000 American dead from the study that the War Department commissioned.



    You know, every single thing you say is completely factually incorrect.

    The reason Hiroshima was untouched was because it was off limits once it was chosen as the primary target of for the bomb.

    Hiroshima held tens of thousands of troops, and held the military headquarters in charge of the defense of the southern half of Japan.

    Nagasaki was untouched because it could not be easily found by radar, and it had large arms-production factories in the outskirts of the city.



    The World Trade center was not the military headquarters in charge of the defense of this country, did not hold tens of thousands of soldiers, and did not contain any arms manufacturing.
     
  10. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

    The railway yards were right in the centre of Dresden. Look at the tonnage of high explosives and incendiary bombs. That's like saying "We dropped our A-Bombs on the military targets in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not the civilians": it's just a bullshit excuse. Hundreds of thousands of civilians were still killed in both cases.
     
  11. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    as if the germans and the japanese didn't kill hundreds of thousands civilians.
     
  12. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    OK, leopold, here we are again with your playground logic. Here is the question you will never answer:

    Just because the enemy kills hundreds and thousands of women and children, does that make it OK to kill hundreds of thousands of women and children too?
     
  13. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    why are you so intent on putting the americans on unequal footing?
     
  14. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    I don't think americans ever fought a war on equal footing.
     
  15. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    Answer the question in my previous post.
     
  16. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    i already did.
     
  17. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    When and where?
     
  18. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    right after the post in question.
     
  19. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    No, you asked a question. The only possible answers are yes and no. Once you answer my question, I will answer yours. It's only polite.
     
  20. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    HAHAHAHA jesus christ G.F. you talk about 'polite'? what a joke.
    remember the question i asked you? hmmm?

    the fact of the matter is japan attacked pearl harbor, sank practically every ship there and killed thousands of our men.
    so we went over there and stomped their shit out.
     
  21. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    Stop squirming and answer yes or no to the question I asked you. With every evasion, you just look like more and more of a worm. Shit, leopold, you squirm so much you should become a politician.
     
  22. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    your question is too vague.
     
  23. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    You didn't understand it then?
     

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