Evolution - True Or False

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by darksidZz, Feb 10, 2007.

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Poll closed Feb 25, 2007.
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  1. Oniw17 ascetic, sage, diogenes, bum? Valued Senior Member

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    That doesn't make any sense either.
     
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  3. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Why do some apes have black hair and others have white or red? It's the same process that created our differences.
     
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  5. John99 Banned Banned

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    so then are there any living human cultures that are closer to ape than others?

    EDIT: no one quote this.
     
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  7. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    Wow, John. You're a little slow to catch on, aren't ya? Your question 'How did apes morph into humans?' is equivalent to asking 'How did mammals morph into cows?'

    Here's a simple explaination:

    http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/postmonth/may03.html

     
  8. scorpius a realist Valued Senior Member

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    and youd rather BELIEVE that all human race started with one man...
    Adam huh?
    and from his rib the Big dog made woman?
    mind you explaining HOW the different RACES of different collored people came about??a
    and how come we arent all INBRED retards,which is what happens when family members fuck each other
    I suggest you start here www.talkorigins.org
     
  9. scorpius a realist Valued Senior Member

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  10. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    No, I'm quite content in not making up my mind until I have all of the evidence and proof necessary for one idea or the other.

    "I don't know" is still a very good answer ....even if so few people are willing to admit it. Most would rather hurriedly form their opinions about things of which they know little or nothing.

    I don't know. I have a difficult time with evolution, not so much in the adaptive changes in animals, but in the very ideal of ...where the fuck did any of it start in the beginning? If one can't actually answer that with proof positive, then all of it just ....belief or, worse, unsubstantiated opinion.

    Baron Max
     
  11. John99 Banned Banned

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    Mountainhare,

    Actually i did believe in the human evolutionary roadmap, a long time ago. The change came about upon learning that not only is it a physical impossibility it is as far as humans are concerned more than that.

    If you took away all human life from the Earth and left all ape's (Hominidae-minus the inclusion of humans) how long would it take to produce more humans? i really believe it will never happen without some other intervention- organic or supernatural/

    There would be alot of Apes throwing shit at eachother but no humans.

    There is no use reading into these statements, all it is meant to do is inject the possibilty of a more feasible conclusion.

    Scorpius,

    That is not what we are referring to.
     
  12. Bells Staff Member

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    Then your god hates you and wishes to punish you.

    To quote Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion..

    "Many of our human ailments, from lower back pain to hernias, prolapsed uteruses and our susceptibility to sinus infections, result directly from the fact that we now walk upright with a body that was shaped over hundreds of millions of years to walk on all fours."​


    Our bodies are not perfect and has many flaws Baron. You'd think if you were somehow created or made by a God, he/she would have gotten right, wouldn't you?

    You are saying with certainty that God exists?

    Don't ask me why, but what comes to mind upon reading this is an old Michael Jackson video.

    Do you think that we went from swinging in the trees in one generation and being hairless, walking upright and building houses in the next generation? It was a slow and gradual process that took millions of years. Hence we 'evolved'.

    :bugeye:

    Seriously, I don't know if you are being stupid on purpose to get a rise out of people or if you really are this stupid. While I hate to refer to people as stupid, it is the only word that comes to mind at this point.

    Please, refer to the links provided in this thread (eg www.talkingorigins.org. And read through it carefully and slowly. Allow it to sink in.
     
  13. Bells Staff Member

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    And there might very well not be humans since we as a race were taken from the earth (by your example). You can't know what else would evolve. You are thinking with the belief that we (humans) were placed here with a purpose and that we are the be all and end all. We will most probably evolve over the next few million years (if we haven't killed off our race in the meantime) into something else.

    Evolution has not stopped with us. We aren't the final product. With evolution there is no final product. You have the here and now. Millions of years down the track, we may not be as we are today. Evolution is continuous.
     
  14. Bells Staff Member

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    Lol I apologise. But morphing? Come on John.. lol
     
  15. John99 Banned Banned

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    Really? so in the time from the Roman Empire to present would you say we evolved or devolved?

    I have to say that first paragraph deals more in magic than science.
     
  16. scorpius a realist Valued Senior Member

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    all I know that humans have been around and evolving for something like 100 thousand years,plenty of time to adapt and evolve and change imo.
    evolution doesnt mean one creature changes quickly into another,however
    after long time they might IF they need to adapt to survive.
    did you know that todays birds are descendants of dinosaurs?
    I think good example of evolution would be dogs which were only wild wolfs first and look how many different kinds of dogs we have now,how did that change happen?
    irellevant,humans and apes share common ancestor thats all,heck we share 95% of DNA with apes,if that dont prove we are related I dont know what would
    what does SUPERNATURAL means?
    everything that exist is natural,or have you seen anything "supernatural"??
    I surely havent
     
  17. John99 Banned Banned

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    Scorpius,

    no offense but everything you wrote proves nothing.

    too many extinct species nullify this concept. life on this planet does not hinge on the survival of one species and when you say adapt in what way do you mean? how will polar bears adapt when their habitat is gone? if we moved them to a tropical island will they make a drastic change, die or stay the same?

    Too drastic a change and they will die, i am sure of this and too little and there will be no change.

    what do you think will happen?
     
  18. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Well, everyone else seems to, so he can just wait his turn in line!

    Maybe we started out as "perfect", then evolved into our present, imperfect form?? Hmm?

    I don't know. But it's so interesting that y'all are so willing to "believe" in something like animals leaping up out of the primordial soup and becoming life that I'm struck by your willingness to denigrate someone else's differing beliefs?

    From what, pray tell? Perhaps from that little creature that leaped up out of the primordial soup? POOF! "Me Tarzan, where's Jane ...I wanna' fuck!"

    Baron Max
     
  19. VitalOne Banned Banned

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    Ofcourse its true, or very close to the truth, but its incomplete in some manner....
     
  20. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    There is no natural process of devolution (never mind DEVO), it's all evolution. Yes, I think some minor changes have occurred in that time. The gene pool is now far larger, for instance.
     
  21. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Hi Baron---

    Depending on what level of proof you require from a theory, evolution cannot be proved definitively. The time scales involved are simply too long. One can only hope to gather evidence, and make a decision based on the evidence.

    If there is a God making decisions at the quantum level, then there is no way for us to know. This is a philosophical question. We have a theory called evolution, which is predictive and does not rely on supernatural influences. Most evidence that we have supports that theory, whether it be fossil record, molecular biological evidence, or empirical evidence. The theory you presented has no distinction from evolution except for some mythical decision making entity whose identity can (presumably) never be known.
     
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  22. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Not a problem at all. Take DNA. Change it very slowly in an isolated population. Wait a million years. Compare to the original population and note differences. QED.

    I'm confused about what position you are arguing from---do you have any alternative explanation or do you just think evolution is wrong?
     
  23. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Well, what makes you think otherwise?
     
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