Evolution belief in America

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by James R, Sep 12, 2007.

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What do you believe?

Poll closed Oct 12, 2007.
  1. God created humans pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years.

    6 vote(s)
    11.8%
  2. Human beings evolved from less advanced forms of life, with God helping or guiding the process.

    4 vote(s)
    7.8%
  3. Human beings evolved from less advanced forms of life, and God played no part in the process.

    36 vote(s)
    70.6%
  4. No opinion.

    5 vote(s)
    9.8%
  1. 2inquisitive The Devil is in the details Registered Senior Member

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    spuriousmonkey,
    The poll was posted to compare the beliefs of the sciforums membership with the beliefs among non-scientific types in 'America' as polled by the Gallup organization. The only 'scientific' application is to see if this supposed 'scientific community' varies much in beliefs compared with the masses.
     
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  3. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I only have a problem with "less advanced", anyway I voted for Human beings evolved from less advanced forms of life, and God played no part in the process. obviously

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  5. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    And indeed the 44% were right. That claim is definitely false! We did not evolve from less advanced= primitive forms of life.

    What's the point of comparing bogus poll results with bogus poll results.

    It's anti-scientific!

    Comparing nonsense with nonsense is nonsense.
     
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  7. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    the earth is only 6 thousand years old, and god created humans roughly 400 years ago.

    how can somebody believe that humans are a new species when we have old bones to prove we existed so far back in the past?. also some egyptian pyramids pre date the earths age.

    peace.
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    There is increasing controversy in Turkey (one of the more secularly influenced and Western Islamic countries) right now about the teaching of evolutionary theory, with most religious Muslims in Turkey apparently thinking it contradicts the Islamic faith and the teachings of the Prophet.

    Only a minority of biology teachers in Turkish schools present it thoroughly, and it is being written out of the textbooks, combined with Creationist arguments, etc.

    Aside from some details of timing, context, etc, orthodox Islam has, in general and in practice, responded to Darwinian theory approximately as fundie Christianity has. In Turkey, this involves explicitly borrowing entire arguments and approaches (including translated educational materials, books, pamphlets, etc) from the Creationist movement in the US. This goes back many years. An article from the early 90s: http://www2.truman.edu/~edis/writings/articles/islamic.html
     
  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Regarding the wording of the poll: I have essentially reproduced the wording that the Gallup pollsters used. I assume the wording was chosen so that people answering the poll would not have to have PhDs in biology to understand what it was asking.

    Anybody who has issues with the wording ought to take the matter up with Gallup.

    In the meantime, I am sure that intelligent sciforums members can work out what is intended by each option. There is little room for confusion.
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps the wording is aimed at a certain demographic? I'm not sure how Muslims or Hindus would answer the poll.
     
  11. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    To say the least, I don't find a single option to vouch for
     
  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It was polling Americans, and there aren't too many Muslims or Hindus there.

    Hindus obviously have a problem because they believe in infinite time (don't they) and reincarnation.

    But what issues would Muslims have? Don't they believe in the Genesis story (Allah creating man from clay etc.)?
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Depends on how you define Genesis. The Bible is very different from the Quran in this respect.

    I could not choose any of the options.
     
  14. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    You might just as well reduce the poll options to:
    Do you believe in God?​
    Clearly, if one believes in God, one believes he played some role in the creation of man. Some will take a literal view, others will take a more metaphorical/allegory view of the story of creation given in various religious texts.

    Believing in God is no reason to deny science. Quite the contrary. Just as you know a man by his work, you know God by his creation. The more we learn about the nature of the universe, the we learn about the nature of God.
     
  15. Atom Registered Senior Member

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    I think the proponents of Intelligent Design deserve the right to speech, maybe no to be given a platform re. Sciences but during Relgious class.

    If only to make them less boring....I never went to a RE class in my life. One week of passing a Bible around by rote and then reading from it was quite enough!!!
     
  16. Atom Registered Senior Member

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    Most Polls are rendered utterly meaningless by the way the questions are framed.
     
  17. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Hogwash. The Quran claims of creationism. What's the problem?
     
  18. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously. I thought that xians and jews and muslims shared belief in most of the early parts of the bible. Like genesis and such. Isn't the god of abraham the god of all of these religions?
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    The Quran has more in common with the Torah, much of which is inaccurately represented in the Bible; ask any Hebrew speaking person, Like TDI.

    Muslim belief in creation is very simple:
     
  20. allisone417 i'll be in my room Registered Senior Member

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    "God played no part"...

    Um...isn't that statement a little misleading? Was this poll only supposed to be answered by the religious, or do we have to believe that for a deity to play no part, he must still be present but just idlying quietly over in a corner of the universe?
     
  21. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    That was point, too. If you believe in God, of course you believe he played a role in the creation of man and the universe.
     
  22. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Ok. Thanks.

    Of course they don't. Since the "ultimate" origin of the cosmos is a complete unknown (it probably just "is" - eternal past, eternal future) you can assign any agent you want to it.
     
  23. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    The God of Abraham is the God of all men and women no matter their religion--or lack of religion.
     

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