Kriminal99 Actually, I'd suggest otherwise. Unless you've read every post in all 12 pages of this thread. Have you? I doubt it. So how can you be sure that what you are saying hasn't already been said before? What you're doing is sorta like attaching yourself to someone else's star. By the way, Guyute bumped the thread. He was the thread starter. Did you even read enough of the thread to realize that? His purpose behind the bump seems enigmatic. He certainly didn't bring anything new to the discussion with his bump. What was he trying to say? His post sounded vaguely religious. Anyway, it's farily obvious that morals are personal and not universal. Morals exist only as abstract concept and not as some 'truth' handed down from above. Any who argue otherwise are blinded by faith. This new debate is funny. Isn't everyone saying the same thing? Where are the dissenters? Can you have a debate when everyone is busily clapping each other on the back and saying the same thing? Quite right, good fellow. Jolly good show, what? Ho ho, chip chip, cheerio. Well said. Bravo. Hurrah.