Everyday racism

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by paddoboy, Dec 9, 2020.

  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Hya Dave!!!
    As a reasonable bloke, I'm sure you understand that evils are inherent to both extremes of the political spectrum.
    And as I have mentioned before when I was a Union Delo, I've been labeled a right wing shit hole, and a leftist ratbag, all on the same day!!
    Now I have had three tinnies of VB with a mate, so I havn't really to much more to say, except that I'm sure you know I am not in the least racist, but may probably misconstrue other things I have said as mildly sexist. I don't accept that they are by the way.
    Anyway have a great bloody Chrissy and a better New Year, and I'll leave you with the following link that sort of says beter what I'm trying to convey.
    ps: Obviously there is also a ton of bloody stuff, for both sides of this debate on the net.....
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0239259
    Abstract
    Recent studies have documented a shift from moderate political attitudes to more extreme attitudes at the ends of the political spectrum. This can be seen in Political Correctness (PC) on the left, and white identitarian (WI) attitudes on the ‘Alt-Right’ (AR). While highly covered in mainstream media, limited academic research has investigated their possible antecedents and psychological correlates. The current study investigated the prevalence and psychological predictors of these attitudes. Utilising a quota-based sample of 512 U.S. participants, we found that extreme political attitudes were associated with various personality traits, social media use, and upbringing. PC attitudes were associated with agreeableness, black-white thinking, social-media use, and perceived overprotective parenting. WI attitudes were associated with low agreeableness and openness, and high black-white thinking. Our results show that extreme left and right attitudes are separated by individual differences, and that authoritarianism can be seen on both the left and the right.
     
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  3. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    So tell me this..do you think putting on a performance over the naming of manhole covers for example is not silly?


    Heck I have been for the rights of people for fifty years and it hasn't caused me to lose rationality ... anyways I am not going to argue about it but my observation that certain sillyness is doing harm just could be right..isn't the sillyness the thin edge of the wedge that those crazy right wing rat bags specifically exploit...seems giving them ammunition is not that clever one could think.

    Anyways you have your views they are ok from what I can see I will chose to use my energy to think how one could attack these right wing web sites.

    I have not read the link but will do so shortly.

    Merry Christmas to you and yours.

    Alex
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Bingo!
    Yep, great points Alex old mate!
    As am I and as I have shown here repeatedly, particularly with a vociferous old redneck ratbag we once had frequenting the forum.
    No malic certainly, on either side and/or with either sex, but not really set in my ways, if they were wrong...they aint.


    You have a good one Alex and look after yourself!!

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  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Who did you have in mind?
     
  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Not telling! He is in possession of numerous firearms and may see me as a target.

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  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    If they were named "whitehole covers" - because historically, only white people could have jobs - would it still be "silly" to want to abolish such terms rooted in bigotry?



    Read the article and I think you ill change your mind.
     
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  10. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    so
    Can we deduce that he is an Australian?
    and
    within 2 miles of you?
     
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  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Malice is really the first thing to focus upon which is really the first objectionable thing one finds in racist comments, the malice is part of the deal .really....my objection to "white male" is the obvious malice that comes with it...and if you think about it the diversity of white males on the planet means it is most likely to be only used where malice is present for in reality one would be saying things like French males or American males and then a further qualification by adding white ( or black ) would perhaps then be reasonably called an inoccent description of a specific group..but white male comes out rarely as a friendly description....

    Again no one comes in to talk about the church...the church is arguably responsible for the terrible things that happened to Jews in Germany given for generations racial hatred was preached from the pulpit...and the church supported the belief that black people were created by god to do work for white people in hot climates...if that nonsense came from anywhere else it would be rejected even by die hard racists but as it was preached it obviously was accepted...then you have the instructions on slave management in the bible...now I can't see why that could not come out in one of the edits ..the church could fix it but it did not ..so what's your good Christian going to think...hate using "think" in the same sentence as Christian because they operate by faith and I don't want to belittlecthat approach... but the bible really supports a racist approach..even the new testament..Jesus instructed that only the Jews be approached to join up...does that not hint at something?

    Sexism is well supported by the church...ever think we will see a female Pope?

    Then Hollywood.. oh we can't touch Hollywood...the way the wild violent male is presented as a hero seems to be lost on everyone here thats for sure...and sexism...hollywood is 3d sexism ..it is little else...

    Let the crap movies pollute young minds such that they think females are objects and there is only one race on the planet who deserves everything namely the USA and stop and wonder how that may effect thinking at local levels...hollywood promotes white supremist attitude and anyone who can not see that is not looking...but now look here...we have the low life Paddo running around, they admit mainly in ignorance obviously because until they tell him he is bad he will be ignorant don't you know, and here he is calling folk luv...and crowing about it which is worse...I am not sure what crowing means but looking at what Paddo does it seems that "crowing" can only mean relating an incident that occurred in his life and his impression...so mainly harmless this crowing thing I guess...

    And I do not like pointing out the abuse and the bullying and the lack of malice but it seems someone's needs to educate the mob to indulge some sort of reasonable behaviour..you know stop abuse , and bullying and perhaps try not to judge people and situations from what your general dogma suggests without actually being there or in possession of testimony of all the parties...you know extend the same basic human rights as given under the law....now is that unreasonable...a mob without reference to law is an ugly thing and that is what goes on here....you all act like a lynch mob and the hate you show to Paddo I bet most of you would send him to the block in a blink.

    Does that sound ok to you is there not anyone here who can let go of the dogma and look with disgust at the behaviour you let yourself become part of...

    And me talking like this does not mean I am right wing but of late I don't call myself left anymore as I really now wish to distance myself from the bad behaviour...I think Normal although a minority could be the next best group.


    Why does not one comment upon Hollywood?

    Too angry about Hollywood to speak I bet..I mean if Paddo saying luv drives them into uncontrollable rage just think how they must curn when they think about how Hollywood leads the white supremacist brigade.

    Alex
     
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  12. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Read it so what?

    As if I have not addressed the problems ... don't you think looking for answers in our culture like I am doing today does not hint at deeper waters...

    This is what pisses me off..it's like you start well if you knew..(well I know for at start)...if you knew what we know which obviously you don't because if you did you would not defend Paddo...for s..t sake...first I know all the stuff, the history etc..I have represented so many women against their arsehole ex husband where he thinks he owns all their home the kids and her...I have witnessed a case unfold where the husband took an excavator and levelled the family home..both myself and my ex experienced countless bomb threats all coming from crazy mad husbands who thought the court should award them everything plus the kids...one bomb actually went off directly under where I sat..but I was on holidays...so with all this dont you think I have a clue? And this mongrel who levelled the home no thought of his four poor daughters ,let alone being rational about reasonable division of property, dont you think I perhaps know more than anyone here the problems..and as side thing re gays..who was the only person who would act for them... way back when you could not say you were else be bashed in public with no one caring..two guys made the mistake of coming out ..not one other lawyer would act for them...and again the various approaches I had by good Christian heads of the community saying it was not a good idea followed... I have had to listen to righteous Christian landlords saying which tenants not to show his property to, I started acting for the Lebanese ( Christians strangly) and the various subtle approaches by all sorts of folk that it was not a good idea...so dont talk me I am somehow unaware....

    Really what do you all want?

    I am not racist and Paddo is not racist so really just what is your problem...
    Do you think that because I stand up to abuse and bullying that makes me a racist..how does that work?

    And tell me each one of you..how many "black" people in your family or circles of acquaintances..you know not all people hang with black folk to hide their racism..honestly the stupidly is making my head spin.

    And if posting yet something else about this or that do you really think you can present something that will have me say..yes abuse and bully Paddo all you like..this thing you all have that somehow I don't understand just shows your unfortunate ignorance.. its like here look at this and you will come over..and re white male..sure Billvon finds something inoccent but that turn ones back on just the heading of the Google entries..why can't you accept that abuse and bullying is never justified.

    Now please give me the statistic of how many women there are on the board in public companies..I know..don't bother as I actually already know.
    Alex
     
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yep. Until about 20 years ago "that's mighty white of you" was a common expression in the South. And the people down there defended it the same way. "Everyone says it. It's not racist. It's tradition. It doesn't mean that only white people are good, you idiot!"

    But I am glad they got rid of it.
     
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  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Well done Alex!! Can I have ago at the problem? Actually it's been pretty civil with most including Dave [although they are still misguided] and the bullying and aggressive tactics have come from a couple who should really know better.
    There problem is trying to live up to what probably started out as well meaning, but like many well meaning episodes, there will always be those that take it to extreme. That extremism is more evident actually in the sexist thread then here.
    Notice the philosophical claptrap I got off iceaura when I asked him to show me any evidence of where I have ever shown racial tendencies?

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    He's was another that started to stoop calling names and such...couple of other questions I threw at him also that he has so far not answered.
    take it easy Alex and again all the best!1
     
  15. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    But they are not named whiteholecovers are they.
    However you got me thinking...I think that we need a new name for July because Julius Ceasar was nothing more than a murderer and a slave trader.

    Were you not telling me a while back that white male was no problem and yet now white seems to have taken on some sort of meaning...it seems that now it has some sort of racist relevance...like each way bets I guess.
    Alex
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Do you not see any difference between those two terms?
     
  17. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Why no, so why dont you explain it to me...

    One uses white in a hateful sense to white males ( clearly not racist) and the other uses white in a supremetist sense ( clearly racist) ..and of course this is me again being racist right?

    I tell you the more I think about July thing the more I think it should be changed...July is just a monument to a murderer and a slave trader .... And BC should be banned absolutely I know we have CE but BC just rams christianity down your throat...I found out today that whites have lower percentages of domestic violence I dont know more but it popped up when I was reading up on the relationship between domestic violence and religious following, which I did not find any relayable conclusions...what a thing to be proud of..we bash women less than others..wonderful...does reading that make me racist? Still think wife bashers should swing. It is a big problem in our aboriginal community but my only first hand experience was when in hospital the aboriginal guy in the bed next to me was there because he was stabbed in the stomach by guess who...there were four beds, one empty, a young stabbed aboriginal and an older aboriginal chap who played the best guitar ever..turned out I had played with his nephew...who I know pretty well but have not seen him for ages..U ask about him on the vine and he is doing teal well musically career wise..

    They need to ban booze, and July, censor hollywood and dismantle the Church if it will not amend the bible and take out the racism and sexism...and then lets go for the manhole covers...they are really an access cover so call them that but not a person cover that would just be silly...in my view... but I am insane so my view does not matter...funny how many of you can not offer and appology...you just dont see folk appologise around here. I am referring to James of course..called me insane..no appology..I called you and idiot and I rightfully said I was sorry.. and I was sorry for you , I like you, and sorry for myself as well...that is not like me....what does that say about my character does it mean that I am weak?

    Is it good or bad to appologise when you have wronged another person, some folk think you should never appologise..like those confederates and their flag...they dont care if they offend anyone so I cant see them ever saying sorry.

    Personally I think its the decent thing to do..I know in my case calling you a terrible thing and was not right ...so I did the right thing and appologised. Do you think that is a sign of weakness.

    Do you have many black relations, family I mean, or friends or just aquaintences? Do you run into them or is it a seperate thing over there?

    I probably have more because there are probably more black folk around here...I dont know...there are racists..christians and if you are not with them they look down on you...they dont like anyone but their mob I think...although I know one who is ok ...so far...I suppose like most things there are good and bad...but white males all bad right?

    Alex
     
  18. Bells Staff Member

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    Jesus fucking Christ..

    It's their job!

    They are paid to ply you with alcohol and get you to keep buying more drinks. Given your terminology, they probably thought you were a bunch of old creeps, but they are not allowed to say otherwise and are forced by the condition of their employment to continue responding to your sexual innuendo and "jokes".

    If they ask you to please be respectful, they can lose their job.

    What part of that don't you understand yet?
    No you don't.

    At all.

    The way you respond to men you disagree with, compared to how you respond to me in our disagreements is vastly different.

    For example, you keep asking me why I'm all excited or making comments about how I am excited. You don't do that to the men you have disagreements with. You push this sexist stereotype about women getting worked up, etc. It's quite offensive and rude and I have asked you about this numerous times, but you keep doing it.

    So no, you don't interact with men and women in the same way. Far from it.

    The pretty young women working in the bar keep you "lubricated". The blokes who work in the bar probably just keep the beer flowing.

    You keep asking for evidence, heaps was provided to you. You ignored it all. Everyone here except for Alex who thinks being referred to as a "white male" is more offensive than calling a black man a "nigger", agrees with you. Which says a lot, really.

    The women participating in this thread have explained to you why your behaviour is not acceptable. You keep refusing.

    You cite a man working in a supermarket who knows you and has seen you heaps of times? You can't tell the difference?

    Wegs mentioned above that you have a problem with how you perceive women and she asks that perhaps you don't realise it. I disagree. I think you do know how you view women and how you approach us and address us. You simply don't give a shit what we think or what we want.
     
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  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Merry Chrissy Bells.


    PS: Whatever makes you happy, you keep believing, I'm not really that concerned.
    In the mean time I'll keep acting as I do...an average non racist, non sexist Aussie, that interacts with people of the same attitude, both male and female, young and old... not with standing your "could be's" "may be's" "perhap's" and any other disgusting thoughts you see the need to dream up.
    Take it easy!

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  20. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Gee Bells, I hate pointing out your continued errors in what has transpired, but I have actually noted two people as getting excited, the same two that have resorted to unsupported claims and allegations, based on their own personal standards.
    I'll let you check that out, I'm too bloody lazy at this time, and its really not worth the time or trouble.
     
  21. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Oh I understand all of it, but its also all just a fabrication in your's and other's minds, done from a distance.
    They were great mates and enjoyed our company as we enjoyed there's
    Yes I do.
    All the time.


    ps": and this is the wrong thread bells for discussing flse accusations and allegations...try the other thread, and If I have time, I'll get round to answering that also.
    Merry merry Christmas...again

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  22. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I have changed my mind or rather want to put it another way..I certainly think N.... is a very very offensive term...up here they would call grass trees N.... Boys and just as folk here can not see the offence in "white male" they could not see the offence in calling these things N..... Boys..in time however, not because of me the name went to "black boys" and happily I think most now call them correctly grass trees...anyways I have for longer than most found it offensive, it was on my list of names I felt were wrong..well before what we see today and your impact was really only within your group not like today where you can really get a message out there...what I was really trying to say is anything that is said in hate is bad, and that white male was hateful on two counts, racist and sexist..I really did not mean for it to get tied up with the N word ..however I was excited and upset for a whole heap of reasons and it showed and I made mistakes a d called people names which is not the way I go about things really.

    Alex
     
  23. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Ignorance is bliss, apparently.
    Or did I miss a joke? Poe's Law - you, in particular, can't joke about this stuff.
    That doesn't make it wrong (which has always been the flaw in your continual reliance on personal attack).
    Are you giving up on that aspect of things - the accurate/inaccurate, right/wrong, perceptive/oblivious, considerations?
     

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