Ethinic Races!

Discussion in 'History' started by bellbottom31, Apr 13, 2013.

  1. bellbottom31 Banned Banned

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    Ethnic Races!

    Do you know how adolf hitler nazis used to study their germanic aryan origin in their men and women. They used to study the face structures, patterns in resemblances! They perhaps were celebrating their advancements in plastic surgeries! But their ancestors of the 12th century to 1550s a.d. must have been strict in keeping their society intact in their germanic origins and betterment in progeny offsprings!
    What i want to discuss in this particular topic is that since byzantine times of 800 a.d. many countries were imperialist under britishers and many countries like spain, portugal, nederlands etc.
    So many indians were infused into imperialist nations as cultural exchanges some 2 percent! So many indians through ages when the byzantine era came to an end in 1850s had already settles in europe, usa and australia! Then the general craze for becoming an Non resident indian and moving into other country as immigration is just a facade. What i think the indians that one sees on tv as public figures their ancestors were already moved to foreign countries in 800 a.d.!!! But their progenies never changed and their genetic combination never changes remained as it was in 800 a.d.!!!
    What about the whites who were living in india since 800 a.d.? Did their genes got dispersed in general indian community in 800 a.d and still get to see some offsprings only 1-2 percent in indian community as long lost english?

    Now i am not saying just because some indians are white they may be reckoned as long lost english!
     
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  3. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    No they were not. Show me where you get this nonsense from by providing links. Many countries were ruled by monarchs and were not "imperialists" as you claim.
     
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  5. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

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    Lols. What is this drivel about India and Indians?

    1. Were Indians settling in West since 800 AD?
    2. Which whites lived in India in 800 CE? Lols. There was a small Greek influx post Alexander. But numbers were small, and all finally got subsumed in Hinduism via Buddhism. No cultural or linguistic traces of Greeks remain.

    I think you want a good text book of history.
     
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  7. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    On the other hand, most of us are descended from Julius Ceasar, whether or not you are Indian.
     
  8. bellbottom31 Banned Banned

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    what about aglo indians then?

    If you check by archaelogical means the structures of your own country some are 500 years old and some are of 800 a.d.?

    You can't deny it.

    Indians have no affinity towards white races nor islamics, they might act like a foreigner if they are somewhat fair in skin, but can't lose their genetic identity!
     
  9. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    You seem to be under the impression that races actually exist. I dare say that accounts, at least in part, for your inaccurate ideas.
     
  10. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    If you are asking whether imperialist conquests led to the mixing of races, yes it did.
     
  11. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Of course the only thing necessary to mix races is to place members of these supposed races, of opposite sexes, in close proximity. It's much easier than with Pandas.
     
  12. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    There's a community of Eastern Orthodox Christians in southern India. I work with one of them. When did the Christian people who founded that community arrive in India?

    Depends on the continent. In eastern Asia, a huge percentage of the people have Genghis Khan's DNA.

    Humans have a strong instinct for exogamy (outmarriage). We find people who don't look like us (and therefore must not be closely related) to be "exotic" and "mysterious" and quite attractive romantically.

    Anthropologists say that in the Paleolithic Era, during summer when there was a food surplus so there was no reason for tribes to fight, they would travel to a summer festival. One of the most important things that took place was swapping teenagers. We now know that this helped "add more chlorine to the gene pool" and keep them stronger and healthier. It also appealed to their instinct for exogamy.

    In the 20th century the Westermarck Effect was identified in children raised communally in the kibbutzes in Israel. Even though they all knew that they were not blood relatives, as they grew up the rate of marriage among people who had been raised together was phenomenally low. Incest is such a strong taboo that it even dissuades intimacy between people who are unrelated but were raised together!

    In the 19th century, when slavery was practiced in the American South, it was ridiculously common for the plantation owners to have sex with their female slaves. If they could afford it, they sent their "mixed-race" children off to school in Europe, where race wasn't as big an issue as it was in the USA.

    So, who among you has ever lusted after a person of another "race?" A movie star, a singer, an athlete, or somebody you actually know at work or at school? Was it at least partially because they seemed a little exotic and mysterious?

    I (as white as the Queen's hiney) lived with a Chinese girlfriend for two years. That's how I learned (some) Mandarin. She was pretty exotic, not very thoroughly Americanized.

    Spending most of my life in the Southwest, I had crushes on dozens of Latinas. But they never gave me the time of day. Guess I'm not very exotic.

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  13. arauca Banned Banned

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    It depend what do you mean by races . Are you denying that different do not exist ? If so you must be blind , but I don't think you are blind .
     
  14. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    They don't really exist in biology, it's just a convenient classification system we use.
     
  15. bellbottom31 Banned Banned

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    I really don't know genghis khan whose traces might be in kazakhistan provinces and julius caesar traces might be unknown fairest populations somewhere in greece countries!

    Why i started this particular thread cause in the modern world like post byzantine 1880s, the world has become a mixed cultural group, so there is hardly any distinction in races! When i enquire for 'long lost english' meaning people how they looked before 1880s, then same people how they looked in 1300 a.d. and same people how they looked perfectly at core in 800 a.d.!!! Unlike the modern times!

    Like the color white hides away many a bad looks, but if 'long lost english' had tanned skin how would they had looked?
     
  16. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Aaahr there be some crazy right there, me hearties.

    I welcome the return of Happeh,with all-new material, seemingly.
     
  17. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    The two are not mutually exclusive. Most Europeans are aslo decended from Ghengis Khan. The amount of intercommunication and interbreeding between geographically distant peoples is often underestimated.
     
  18. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    "Race" was originally meant to be what we now call in other animals a "subspecies," or in domesticated animals a "breed." In many languages the distinction isn't even made, i.e., the "Dachshund race of dogs" or the "Sumatran race of rhinoceroses."

    But both of those terms require no cross-breeding. In a subspecies this is usually enforced by geographical separation or by adaptation to different climate zones. In a breed it's enforced by human intervention.

    By this standard, the term "race," or any translation thereof, is invalid for humans. As a dog breeder, I can assure you that by our standards all humans are mongrels.

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  19. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Er, was that a crossword clue??
     
  20. bellbottom31 Banned Banned

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    Isn't there some extent to this globalised world stupidity! One day i become tanned and i am lamented as black, then i eat noodles and i am a budhist then, I talk to a sardarni girl and i become punjabi, then i recall being an islamist and i feel lonely in this world, then i see white ghosts from the past and i think of anglos! So isn't this mental abuse when many religions confronting a mind again and again....! So how should i release myself from this prison. And how would i know of my true genetics?
     
  21. Economister Registered Member

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    I don't understand this topic.
     
  22. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    I think both our history books and our newspapers make it clear that there is not, and never has been, a limit to human stupidity.

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    Your mind is yours. Yes, our parents, friends, colleagues, authority figures and cultural icons influence our thoughts. But ultimately our minds are our own and it's up to us to organize them in ways that make us happy, comfortable and productive.

    That's not easy. In fact it's not much of an exaggeration to say that it's impossible. As I noted in my earlier post, we are all mongrels by the standards of dog and cat breeders.

    Most of us can't trace our ancestry beyond our great-grandparents: only 3 generations back into history. No matter which country your great-grandparents lived in, there is a significant probabilty that at least one of them had an ancestor who came from another country.

    For us Americans, it's too complicated to remember. My mother's parents came from Bohemia (we call it the "Czech Republic" now because it's easier to spell and pronounce) which means that in addition to Bohemian (Czech) ancestors they almost certainly had some Germans and Hungarians in the mix.

    My paternal grandmother's family had lived in the USA for several generations and claimed to have originally come from England. But who are the English people anyway? A mixture of the original Brythonic gene pool (a Celtic people), who were occupied by the Romans, then conquered by Germanic tribes, then conquered again by the French!

    My paternal grandfather's family were Jews who converted to Christianity when they landed in the USA. One was from Germany and one from Hungary. But the Jews have been pushed around for more than 3,000 years and have picked up genes from the Babylonians, Phoenicians, Egyptians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Turks, Slavs and Western Europeans.

    You can pay to have your DNA analyzed, although I don't know how much it costs. They will be able to tell you what your predominant ethnic ancestry is (if you have one--I certainly don't), and perhaps one or two of the other groups who can be seen in your mixture. But ultimately you will find that you are a "mongrel" just like everybody else.

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    All humans who live outside Africa are descended from members of a single African tribe: the San or "Bushmen." They crossed over into Asia 50,000 years ago and their descendants are our ancestors. Still, there's no reason to assume that in 50,000 years, one of my ancestors (or yours) didn't make a trip to Africa and mix his genes with a different African tribe. People from Europe and Asia have been visiting Africa for thousands of years. Africans have also come to Europe and Asia, although, unfortunately, until recently often as slaves.
     
  23. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know about your true genetics, but I strongly oppose any early release of you from prison.
     

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