Errors in the Bible ?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Ted Grant II, Dec 8, 2016.

  1. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    This is the whole bible about :

    Love thay God with all your heart and with whole your strength . Don't make yourself any image of God and what is in the heavens.
    And Love your fellow man as yourself .
    All our daily activity should be based on does 2 commandment ,
    If you can do that without any comparison examples , you don't need to read the bible ,
    If you do any thing that does not agree , your conscience or spirit will judge you ,and you need to correct your action.
     
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  3. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Just when I thought Cowpat couldn't get any higher along comes a post to prove me wrong

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  5. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Whitewashed version because you can't justify all the evil in there.
     
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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you for your post.
    I can understand there are things in the bible one can use to guide one to good behaviour.
    This does not cause the mistakes to go away however. I find the pick and choose approach to the bible the only way to salvage anything reallyhowever again such an approach does not cause the mistakes to go away.
    I started a thread asking should the bible be edited and I think and edit would be a good thing to do in order to present something credible.
    Again thank you for your input I like the way you are prepared to comment.
    Alex
     
  8. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

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    Not by today's standards, but then we have improved a lot since Biblical times. We don't stone brides to death if they are not virgins. In the UK, we have improved our morals so much, we don't hang murderers nor imprison homosexuals. However, in some deeply religious counties, women who wear trousers may be legally whipped in public and they are not allowed to drive for some odd reason, even though women are known to be better drivers than men. Given that most criminals are men, I can't understand why some men think that men make better priests.
     
  9. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

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    Historians and others who have made it their business to check the Bible against other sources, have found evidence that some of the events reported probably occurred. However, in the case of the famous big stories, such as the exodus, the virgin birth and the resurrection are either unsupported by independent sources or are contrary to current scientific knowledge and principles. Much of the Bible contains mythical stories, but I wouldn't claim it to be "full of errors". It's strange that some Popes have claimed to be infallible, yet others, have apologized for "errors", especially for the treatment of scientists in the past and children in our time.

    Bertrand Russell said, "It is not a virtue to tell lies to small children", but they still do it.
     
  10. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    [QUOTE="Ted Grant II, post: 3454049, member: 285383"... ]we have improved a lot since Biblical times.[/QUOTE]
    If you grant that our morality is better than Biblical morality, why do you care whether there are errors in the Bible?
     
  11. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I understand the infallibility pertains to matters of the spirit only

    Science pertains to the real world

    Hence if popes (or in my opinion religion in general) make

    ' god did it, he works in mysterious ways '

    type pronouncements or the classic

    ' Earth is the centre of the Universe and the Sun revolves around it '

    such pronouncements show deep ignorance of not only Science but indicate

    a desperate attempt to hold onto the view that the religion is the font of ALL knowledge and wisdom

    A ' just spirit be damned we chat with god who made the world so we KNOW about the real world as well ' attitude

    Sorry you don't please go away

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  12. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    How long it have taken to come with our present standard ? Englishe were the biggest pirate and robbers in the 1500 exploded any society they could , traded human from Africa . assorted the Spanish ships, Look at your king because he was not satisfied with one woman , he broke away from the Roman church , that is your English morality at that time.
    The bible was translated but Your king was not satisfied so he produced a King James version.
    Do yourself a favor don't equate present times with the past .
     
  13. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    That's what I'm talking about, things contrary to current knowledge that a god would know. Like the mustard seed isn't the smallest seed, and the Earth isn't flat. If we treated the Bible as a book of outdated morality tales, loosely based on real places, I would be fine with that.
     
  14. birch Valued Senior Member

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    this is a quote by a christian. this is what they believe, everyone wording it a bit different but the concept is the same. the religion has no concept of personal responsibility. scapegoating and parasitic and pass the buck system. anything is forgiven and salvation does not have to be earned. now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this is a breeding ground for horseshit and abuse. if i were god and i said you can do anytbing and be forgiven and all you have to do is just acknowledge my existence to move on up the ladder, what kind of ethics is that? that you do not even have to earn it?
     
  15. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    You have to ask your friend or whoever is . What does means been born again ?
     
  16. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Means

    Didn't get get it right first time

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  17. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    I know you ar funny. There was a funny man like you called Nicodemus a pharisee during Yeshua's time with same humor, so remember you joke is 2000 years late.
     
  18. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes I met him

    Just thought I'd tell it again in his memory

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  19. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Just to correct one small misconception, popes do not in general claim to be infallible.

    The rather absurd doctrine of papal infallibility was officially adopted only in the mid c.19th and was only said to pertain to situations:-
    "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church.", what is known as an ex cathedra pronouncement.

    Most popes since then have been very careful not to make such such pronouncements - one exception being the utterly unnecessary and implausible doctrine of the Assumption of the Virgin.

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  20. birch Valued Senior Member

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    and ironicly, so does religion. it's just done on the side of using cunning or deceptive ruse but everything else and it's processes are in accordance with nature.
     
  21. birch Valued Senior Member

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    what makes religion dangerous or unethical isn't because it goes against nature but precisely because it does. it can be used to gain power and oppress and it can work.

    if god is the creator and perfect, then everything that occurs is supposed to be, right? no different from scientists and darwinists. there is nothing ethically different in reasoning really. religious folk use the same argument when it benefits them too. this has a way of condoning anything and everything. what i've found about the ones who use religion for their benefit instead of being on the end of oppression is they don't play by these rules. they take power and tell others 'it's god's will.' must be, right? it's all for a higher purpose etc. yeah and that higher purpose really means someone else is getting over on you, used you or you are supposed to humbly accept it, basically. whether they wrap it in religion or not, it's all the same. otherwise, why do people do what they do? there are so many different ways religion can be used to justify a phenomenon but it can also be used to prevent. it all depends on who has the upperhand at the moment and what they are about and what their agenda is.
     
  22. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    This is a very specific extreme Protestant view - probably from somewhere in the US Bible Belt. If you were to ask a Catholic or Orthodox Christian you would not get this answer. The utility of good works is one of the big dividing lines in theology.
     
  23. birch Valued Senior Member

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    but indeed, one does not have to earn it. one can succeed by not playing by idealistic rules. and if god is the creator, then those results must be justified, right? the thing is con-artists know this.

    i've come to a point to realize religion is not the only thing that is dangerous, the problem is nature itself and it always was. the only good thing or 'improvement' by eradicating god and religion is it's just another veil or ruse people can use to obfuscate the game and make it more deceptive.

    at least in the animal kingdom, no one is deluded about an enemy just because it's cloaked in camouflage. a snake is a snake. religion is a camouflage to many and people should be keen to realize that. yes, there are good religious people who are sincere and trying to be good people but the problem lies in entitlement of reputation and that's how the camouflage works best. the pretense and assumption. it tends to arrest people's defenses or it's expected people should. someone claiming they are religious should not be given much weight anymore than they are a member of a lodge or country club. they have a right to and it shouldn't be oppressed but they also shouldn't be put on a righteous pedestal either based on an assumption of good ethics. it should just be viewed as a personal inclination, not a representation of their moral character because it's all individual.
     
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