Environmental modification, ENMOD and our changing climate

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by subhumn, Feb 15, 2013.

  1. LaurieAG Registered Senior Member

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    Good points Stryder,

    I'm not surprised that the name was changed to 'Climate Change' due to the number of environmental fundamentalists who have been trying to stifle genuine scientific debate.
     
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  3. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    What the heck are you talking about??? You've latched onto a scientific paper that discusses how/why satellites' orbits decay and how to calculate the estimated time they might leave orbit - things you obviously did NOT understand. It most certainly had nothing to do with weather or climate changes. <shrug>
     
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  5. LaurieAG Registered Senior Member

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    Read the OP Read-Only and then see who published the PDF. It wasn't NASA that's for sure.
     
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  7. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, but you've got a serious mental screw loose somewhere - so I'm dropping out of the insanity here, it doesn't interest me.
     
  8. LaurieAG Registered Senior Member

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    Hi Read-Only,

    The following was in today's Australian newspaper with regards to an Australian Broadcasting Commission Channel 1 interview on Monday night.

    The Australian Newspaper 6th March 2013.

    If you ask me, the reason why the Australian Bureau of Meteorology published a paper on Orbital Decay with calculations charts and a computer program has a lot to do with the identical weather patterns that Australia had when the Apollo space program was in operation before the ENMOD treaty was signed in 1976.
     
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  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    That's also the year they released the Evel Knievel Stunt Bike toy. Coincidence? I think not! All those kids, sending their Evel Knievel stunt bikes jumping into the air, robbing the Earth of its spin - how can that not affect the weather?
     
  10. LaurieAG Registered Senior Member

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    Hi billvon,

    Is that your theory?
     
  11. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    billvon's idea seems to make more sense than yours.
     
  12. LaurieAG Registered Senior Member

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    You appear to be linking to a publication concerning satellite drag calculations.

    This thread is about environmental modification and climate change. What's the connection? I know a few years back there was some discussion about the very top of the atmosphere expanding outwards and knocking out some satellites early - is that the issue?
     
  14. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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  15. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    The name was changed to climate change to more accurately reflect the predicted effects.

    That atmospheric carbon warms the atmosphere is as undeniable as the way a mass moves on a spring - indeed, they're goverened by the same physics.

    Everything else is pretty much just chaff.
     
  16. LaurieAG Registered Senior Member

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    Hi Trippy,

    If the increase in atmospheric carbon has not increased the temperature and the temperature has plateaued then there is most likely another man made cause to climate change.

    BTW, AlexG, if you think that arguing with a crank is useless then you must not think I am a crank.
     
  17. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Congratulations,, you just disproved Simple Harmonic Motion and blackbody radiation - some of the basic physics that the prediction that increasing atmospheric carbon will increase the temperature is based upon.

    Alternatively, there are many sinks that are capable of absorbing thermal energy from the atmosphere.

    My stance is one that is based upon physics that has been well tested, what's yours based on?
     
  18. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not sure if you rise to the level of crank.
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yes! It's a proven scientific fact that if you cause things to move away from the surface of the Earth, its rotation slows down. And it is right around the time that Hurricane Belle hit New York and caused millions in damages.
     
  20. LaurieAG Registered Senior Member

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    Hi billvon, satellites etc are moving in and the total density is increased out there by solar flux. Here is the first paragraph with some highlights.

    What do you think happens when a satellite 'bounces' many times off the atmosphere before it achieves its final reentry angle. It doesn't bounce in the same spot and while uncontrolled reentries tend to meander all around the place, controlled reentries can be made to go in straight lines. I think these strait line very powerful cyclones may have been accidental at first but they can be used as weapons of mass destruction and should be regulated through treaties like ENMOD as was originally intended.

    View attachment 6133
     
  21. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    So you think that a satellite reentering the atmosphere causes cyclones?:soapbox:
     
  22. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Special satellites that can just make the weather suck in the Persian Gulf, North Korea and Venezuela. To enhance our strategic military objectives.

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  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly. What do you think happens when a child launches a toy in the air? The earth slows down ever so slightly, just like a spinning ice skater who extends her arms. And what happens to the atmosphere around it? It's not firmly connected to the planet, so it continues at the same speed while the earth slows. Weather is caused by wind, and thus slowing down the Earth will cause powerful storms (like Hurricane Belle) to hit different places than they otherwise would.

    In fact, every single hurricane ever recorded has occurred shortly after children have launched their weather-modification toy of the day (pogo sticks, Evel Knievel stunt bikes, slingshots etc.) That can't possibly be coincidence. So far we have no evidence that children have done this in order to purposely destroy major cities in the US - but we don't have any proof that they haven't, either. Jumping toys should be regulated as potential weapons of mass destruction through treaties like ENMOD before we lose Atlanta to toy-induced Armageddon.
     

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