Entropy vs. Anti-Entropy (How DNA Defeats the Blackhole)

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  1. tonylang Registered Member

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    The instantiation of life is indeed likely to be an anti-entropic process which conserves state information of a living being via natural entanglement. Objectively considering all of the ideas mentioned in this post with an open mind will inevitably lead some to see the necessity and relevance to life of these ideas in nature. However, as always mortality will take care of the rest as you will be more open to new ideas when taught them from birth. Some of you probably raved against Darwin or Copernicus in your past instantiations but are now carriers of the torch. This is perhaps as it must be.
     
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  3. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Yup, I was right. Reincarnation.
     
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  5. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Only if they have had a back alley lobotomy.

    Most people do adopt the religion of their parents no matter how absurd the religion is.
     
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  7. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Before you go comparing yourself to Copernicus or Darwin, you might want to note that the models they proposed were in response to unsolved mysteries of their times, and they were able to demonstrate that their models accurately explained and predicted the existence of those mysteries. How do you propose to follow in their footsteps?

    Tell you what, you'll become famous enough just for verifiably demonstrating one single example of an anti-entropic process anywhere in the universe, let alone anything to do with life, so why not start there? Good luck and good hunting.
     
  8. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    "Instantiation of life."
    What's that?
     
  9. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    It's the way instant oatmeal turns exciting as soon as you add water.
     
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    Also see post (#101)

    Instantiation is a scientifically plausible hypothesis that predicts:

    Life inhabits any universe fundamentally by the temporary natural entanglement between a viable physical host such as a cell(s) with meta-matter in Hilbert-space at one’s specific value, or aspect of some property of the quantum entanglement spectrum, i.e. frequency (QEF). Your QEF is what locates you in this space-time in your current body or in any viable host anywhere in this universe. This has occurred and therefore may reoccur and can occur anywhere there are entanglement molecules which are the metaphorical seeds of evolution and life.

    A Few Plausible Inquires:

    1. What is the elemental or molecular formula of the entanglement molecule?

    2. Where in the cell do entanglement molecules reside?

    3. How could researchers test for its existence?

    4. What property of entanglement is responsible for individuality?

    5. How is a host (body) naturally selected above all other hosts for entanglement at your QEF? Ergo, why are you human?

    6. Assuming the availability of viable hosts, on average how much time passes after deinstantiation (death) until reinstantiation (life) reoccurs.

    7. What factors effect average time to reinstantiation?

    8. Why can’t an individual reinstantiate while alive?

    9. Why doesn’t individual lives short circuit with one another.

    10. How could an individual’s QEF be detected?

    11. Are there implications for reinstantiation of activates performed during life?

    12. Does longevity (i.e. infant death vs centenarian death) have an effect on an individual’s reinstantiation prospects?

    13. Does time uninstantiated (dead) affect an individual’s reinstantiation prospects?

    14. Why would society care to distinguish, if it could, an individual across multiple instantiations?

    15. What is the useful (Hamiltonian) form of the wave function for the position-of-view (POV)?

    16. How does the POV interact with telemetry from the nervous system in complex hosts.

    17. How does Entanglement cells heterodyne (combine) their unique QEF to establish the individuals QEF?

    18. Does terminating only an individual’s entanglement cells terminate the individual?
     
  11. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Reincarnation then.
     
  12. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Yup.

    I'm wondering whether it may be useful to define a subspecies of quantum woo, called "entanglement woo". The last post by the OP is a complete jumble of terms. I very much doubt he knows what either Hilbert Space or a Hamiltonian are - unless he's one-time physicist, writing from a ward in a psychiatric hospital.
     
  13. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Dressing up an unsubstantiated and silly conjecture with scientific terms that you clearly do not understand is not science nor is it a plausible hypothesis.

    What you have is a large cobb word salad,
     
  14. tonylang Registered Member

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    The true measure of any species’ cognitive maturity is engendered by the accuracy of what it knows or believes it knows about its own living condition.

    For decades it has been understood by modern science that far reaching relocation and travel within this universe is fundamentally and practically prohibited by natural mechanisms, fantasies to the contrary notwithstanding. As is often the case however, nature presents the solution to the problems it creates. Placement and relocation of the individual within this universe is a mechanism that must have been in place long before the evolution of living biological hosts like the cell.


    Natures’ means of populating this universe, not only with naturally evolved biological forms, but also with naturally instantiated individual POV’s, is likely the only answer to Humankinds' dreams of far flung interstellar or intergalactic relocation. Once we master the elements of reinstantiation of the individual we will see that our bodies are not required for relocation of the individual within this universe. True to natures design the host body is always left behind. Relocating only the individuals’ position-of-view is the only viable means of moving through a vast universe permeated by a Higgs field. Controlling the instantiation of life will permit us a degree of influence and self determinism we do not have when nature handles ones instantiation.


    In theory, with the proper understanding and technologies, one could instantly, selectively reinstantiate to available preferred hosts in any viable ecosystem, located anywhere in this universe. It is preferable if not likely that this would one day become a round trip endeavourer, but until then it would serve as a means of assuring ones continued participation in the human experience on or near Earth. Also, although controlled instantiation may not preserve the individual’s endearing qualities such as memories, personality, or behavior it does however offer some degree of control over one’s prospects for life which some may regard to be better than none at all. Any advanced species that share this universe with us will no doubt already understand this.
     
  15. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    This is why we use lab coats as a control variable, so we can always know whether or not the information comes from good authority. If the OP had a video of himself standing in front of some grade school geometry problems on a blackboard, his outlandish claims would've made a whole lot more sense.
     
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    Since ancient times humankind has felt endeared by certain properties, skills, or talents observed in the living forms all around us. Properties which are misconstrued to be fundamental identifiers of life and of all living beings, properties such as mobility, voice, speech, sight, memory, and biology as we know it.


    The reason Thomas Edison could so enthrall spectators with his newly designed speaking device, which he dubbed the phonograph, is due to humankinds hitherto engrained, evolved or learned, and largely subconscious understanding that a voice for example, is the sound of a living beings soul. Although consciously many people knew better, nevertheless it wasn’t until they were able to actually witness the spectacle of a clearly inanimate device producing a voice did the rewiring of people’s minds and the accompanying enlightenment take place. So it was with self locomotion or mobility of inanimate objects which also took some getting used to by our not so distant ancestors, as did light detection describable as sight, so to with the introduction of retrievable memory and such surprising spectacles exhibited by inanimate non biological devices.


    Then there is life. Today we have a much more detailed description of biology and its chemistry than did our forbearers. Nonetheless, we perhaps more than ever, continue to see nature’s implementation of life as we did those other skills, as a feature indigenous to and expressible only by the biological forms we currently see around us. With the exception of life, it is only the encroachment of our synthetic, non-biological technologies upon these formerly cherished skills and talents that has helped us to see nature’s true design. In so doing we now realize that these functions are not exclusively properties of living beings or of biology but rather examples of utilization and manipulation of more basic properties of nature such as temperature and pressure, light, chemical, electromotive, and ponderomotive forces, friction, entanglement etc..


    However, where life is concerned, and taking no example from the past, we continue to cling to the misconception that life is not a skill or talent comparable to speech or memory, a property which similarly evolved here on earth in biological form. Instead we define life by the observed biology and chemistry of the forms we see around us. This is akin to defining speech, communication, memory or vision by the description of your eyes, or larynx or neurons and their chemistry, or by the design of Edison’s phonograph, or by the intricate electrical designs of the cell phone. Life too is an evolved capability with a natural implementation abstracted from any particular biology or chemistry we may see around us. In nature life has a fundamental implementation based on natural entanglement via a molecule that may have existed in nature long before life emerged, a molecule like so many others utilized by the cell to exceptional effect, the entanglement molecule. A molecule that may also be utilized in synthetic, perhaps non-biological, forms to create an independent genesis of life.


    No matter how detailed or convincing the illusion of life may become in its implementation, for example in an android or computer or even in a biological entity, despite what your eyes may urge you to believe, each continues to be a non-living entity absent natures fundamental mechanism of life. An essential mechanism provided via natural entanglement between the properly implemented entanglement molecules within living cells located in this space-time with metamatter in Hilbert-space which together produce each unique living individual’s position-of-view (POV) and lifeID. This is the essential mechanism that permits any viable form to host an individual like yourself or your pet otter anywhere in our space-time. It is how you are where you are right now. It is the natural anti-entropic mechanism that permits any viable planet or species to host your life. By this hypothesized definition even the most convincingly implemented appearance and behavior of an entity not naturally entangled in this way will continue to be an inanimate entity. In contrast, a hand held brick such as a calculator instantiated by natural entanglement to establish a POV, despite all appearances, this unconvincing brick would in fact be a living being.


    The day will shortly arrive when we are confronted as we previously have been, with a new implementation of entities that meet all of the aesthetic and behavioral misconceptions we now harbor about life, or alternatively ones that show no traditional evidence of life what so ever, absent an understanding of the true determinant of life natural entanglement, we will be ill prepared to tell the difference.
     
  17. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    So something nameless, shapeless, and entirely free of natural products.

    Will grown men be trembling in the streets? Smaller men trembling in alleyways?
     
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    There is a source of entanglement, that is part of liquid state physics.

    In chemistry, there are properties of solutions; liquid state, called colligative properties. Colligative properties are only dependent on concentration and not the nature of the solute itself. The nature of a solute (the dissolved thing) is its EM profile; chemical make-up. Colligative properties are not concerned with the EM profile. It is only concerned with the numbers of units. This allows widely different ions and molecules, to become interchangeable, relative to colligative properties.

    Life makes extensive use of osmotic pressure, through selective transport through membranes. This action allows entanglement to occur via a colligative property.

    Osmosis, in turn, has a connection to entropy. The osmotic pressure= force/area generated, is a force generated by an entropy increase; an entropic force. It is force, generated by the 2nd law or entropy increasing, connected to a colligative property, and therefore allows it to entangle EM things in ways, not expected by EM force alone.

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    Above is a schematic of osmosis. The water can diffuse through the semi-permeable membrane and will go in the direction of stronger concentration; to the right. It does not matter what we dissolve in the water; sugar, salt or vinegar. It is only about the concentration of the composite; number of total units. The push of the water, through the membrane, is not EM related, or else each unique dissolved thing, would make a different pressure. All things are interchangeable. That is the definition of a colligative property long supported by experiment.

    On the right hand beaker, one can see the pressure generated by the entropy of the water as it moves into the other side to mingle. The pressure head is a measure of the osmotic pressure. The salt and sugar are entangled, via the entropy and pressure of the water, in ways not connected to EM forces, alone. I call the entropic force, that entangles all things dissolved, via entropy, the life force. Life is coordinated via the colligative entanglement.
     
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  19. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    What is EM profile? What do you mean by entanglement via entropy?
     
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    Osmosis is a colligative property. This means that osmosis is not dependent on the properties of a particular solute moiety. The solute moiety can be large or small, ionic, covalent or polar, with or without charge, large or small dipole, single or multiple charges, negative or positive charged, any of which would be part of the electromagnetic or EM profile for that moiety.

    Colligative properties are not concerned with the EM profiles ( to coin a phrase) or rather how the details of the chemical structure, impacts other things. It is only concerned about the composite concentration; moles/liter of water.

    As an analogy, say we have two rival gangs from the Bronx, who both go to the same ball game to cheer the Yankees. Based on their gang profiles (EM analogy), they each have unique gang characteristics; colors and code. It these two gangs were to interact, they would more than likely insult, argue and then start to fight.

    The ballpark is analogous to the osmotic device. Like a colligative property, both gangs will cheer for a Yankee home run and both will get excited by the victory of the home team. One may wonder how these two dissimilar gangs could coordinate or entangle in delight, since they hate each other. There is something bigger is at work; entropic force.

    In the case of osmosis and osmotic pressure, it is the ability of water to selectively and freely move across the membrane that defines the direction of the second law; entropy increase. Water has lot of order and dissolved thing tend to increase the level of disorder; entropy. The result is a pressure head forming called osmotic pressure, driven an entropy increase; liquid state physics. This is the home run, or the two run single, that coordinates the crowd of unconnected people; entanglement. The gangs are not gangs at that moment of time, but cheer for the same goal.

    All the materials inside and outside the membrane are connected at some level, because each supplies the same partial osmotic pressure; based on the number of its moieties. The entropic force or life force entangles diversity of EM, with the water being the driving force for the entanglement.

    If we apply pressure to the pressure head; called reverse osmosis, we can lower entropy of the water, as water is push back in the opposite direction. It takes energy to reverse the entropy. This would be negative entropic force, which can then entangle in the direction of lowering entropy; needs energy to occur.

    Water is the key to the entanglement.
     
  21. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    What do you mean by entanglement via entropy?
     
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    In liquid state physics, the micro and macro environments can act, independently. This is unique to the liquid state. If you look the right side glass loop; steady state osmotic pressure, there is higher pressure head on the right side and lower pressure head on the left side. This pressure is a macro effect that acts on the bulk water.

    At the micro scale, water is moving across the membrane, equally in both directions; at steady state. Normally one would expect the pressure to exert a force on the water, so the water is pushed in the direction of the force. However, the micro state, although connected, is not acting that way, but is ignoring the pressure; pressure is a secondary macro effect that is connected to the micro primary.

    The micro-scale water is acting under the potential of entropy; goes both ways. The osmotic pressure that is generated; impacts the water and all things in the water. It is squishing the weak hydrogen bonding between water and the solutes. The solute can't get across the membrane, to adjust at the micro scale, so their micro and macro become connected to the water via the pressure. They are all entangled with the water, with the entropy potential within the micro water running the entanglement.

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    The hydrogen bonding of water is a binary in that it can be either polar or covalent. The polar defines higher entropy and the covalent defines more order and less entropy. What is cool about water is entropy change does not have mean random movement, as much as switching between the bonding states of the hydrogen bonding, with entropy signals transmitted by hydrogen bonding of the binary switch; speed allows the entanglement.
     
  23. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    I understand osmotic pressure. Individual water molecules are almost completely covalent and the bonding between water molecules is polar. Nothing you wrote explains your rather strange use of the word entanglement. Do you simply mean by entanglement that the molecules are attracted to each other?
     
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