Entanglement and Relativity

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  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sure the whole scientific world is totally agasp and enthralled at such overwhelming knowledge from the forum cocky and are right at this moment tearing up all their physics notes, scientific papers and books, waiting in awe at what you are proposing and all the evidence you have with it.

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    I don't need to supply evidence, I have many times and just as obviously its not going to change anti science attitudes driven by religious and other agendas :shrug:

    I did though find the following that may help you in this time of need.......
    http://psychcentral.com/encyclopedia/2008/delusion-of-grandeur/
    A delusion of grandeur is the fixed, false belief that one possesses superior qualities such as genius, fame, omnipotence, or wealth. It is most often a symptom of schizophrenia, but can also be a symptom found in psychotic or bipolar disorders, as well as dementia (such as Alzheimer’s).

    People with a delusion of grandeur often have the conviction of having some great but unrecognized talent or insight. They may also believe they have made some important discovery that others don’t understand or appreciate.


    Less commonly, the individual may have the delusion of having a special relationship with a prominent person (such as being an adviser to the President). Or the person may believe that actually are a very prominent and important person, in which case the actual person may be regarded as an imposter.

    Grandiose delusions may have religious content, such as the person believes he or she has received a special message from God or another deity.

    Sometimes, in popular language, this disorder may be known as “megalomania,” but is more accurately referred to as narcissistic personality disorder if it is a core component of a person’s personality and identity. In such disorders, the person has a greatly out-of-proportion sense of their own worth and value in the world. People with this issue can also sometimes have a taste for the finer, more extravagant things in life.

    Sometimes drug use or abuse can intensify or bring on episodes of delusion of grandeur. People who take phencyclidine (PCP) or amphetamines are especially at risk. People who are high and experience a delusion of grandeur may be at increased risk for physically harmful behavior. For instance, if you believe you are capable of flying after taking PCP, and try to jump off a 10-story building based upon that false belief, you may be at serious risk of death.
     
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  3. FOLZONI Registered Senior Member

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    I thought this thread was about Quantum Entanglement and Relativity? Not about your

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    megalomania, Alzheimer's and delusions of grandeur or projections thereof onto other people.

    Seems I'm wrong then!

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  5. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    well this is headed nowhere fast... knock it off with the baseless insults aight?
     
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  7. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    As you have undoubtedly been told quantum entanglement does not transfer classical information faster than light, so SR has not been disproven. Even in the event that of some sort of ftl information transfer is ever found the newer theory would have to incorporate SR anyway.
     
  8. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    That's about it for this site... you can talk crap and be a known fraud, but as long as you don't insult each other you can keep posting.
    What do you mods here expect?
     
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  9. PhysBang Valued Senior Member

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    Essentially in whatever reference frame that you are using.

    Seriously, QM is entirely consistent with SR. If you describe the entangled states and the events in which they are measured in a given reference frame, then you will find no violation of relativity. The only events you can identify are certain measurement outcomes at certain locations. Once you know the outcome in one location, you are guaranteed to know what is in the other, of course. However, there is no frame-independent fact of the matter about which event was measured first, nor is there a frame-independent fact of the matter about what state either particle was in before a measurement event.

    Frustrating, perhaps, but the QM & SR facts nonetheless.
     
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  10. FOLZONI Registered Senior Member

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    I can expect a decent stoush with Batman, but clearly not from his boy...
    ...blunder!

    IOW please explain what the difference is between "classical information" and "non-classical information." I cannot find these terms in a physics dictionary. I can see no difference, therefore SR is refuted! Never fear though - Batman is always there to help you defend the Einsteinian way!

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  11. FOLZONI Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, I accept you rebuke, Kittamaru.
    I apologise to paddoboy for misrepresenting himself and his positions.

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  12. danshawen Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks, but I finally found my "mistake", with lots of help here. May you be as fortunate.
     
  13. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    You are not a very good troll, but at least you are trying.
    I am afraid your ignorance and reading comprehension are the issue. I never said anything about non-classical information. You could look up 'classical information in physics' and possibly decrease your confusion (but I doubt you will).
    Your ignorance of physics does not refute anything, it just means you are ignorant.
     
  14. FOLZONI Registered Senior Member

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    Yes indeed, Ro... er... origin...
    ...by evading the question of the definition of "classical information" - necessarily implying the existence of "non-classical information" - you just keep getting funnier, both classically and non-classically!

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  15. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    I told you in my previous reply how decrease your ignorance, but alas as predicted you chose to remain ignorant. Of course we both know you are really just continuing to troll. You may have found a home here, the mods will let you troll to your hearts delight as long as you don't insult people (insulting our intelligence is fine).

    Just for fun please explain how to transfer information faster than light using entanglement.
     
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  16. FOLZONI Registered Senior Member

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    How can I?
    Because you have no intelligence to grasp the question or even be insulted! The answer is everywhere on the internet now. You can even find it in patents e.g. try the name Richard Steenblik in US Patents to see how it is done using polarized light! IOW faster-than-light signalling is a fact - whether one transmits non-classical or classical information, whatever the differences might be!

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  17. FOLZONI Registered Senior Member

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    error; please delete
     
  18. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    You can't.
    Sure, I grasp the question, your ignorance is just getting in the way of you understanding the answers. Your insults are just your typical childish behaviour and are ignored.
    It is a shame that you don't have the mental power to understand what is written there.
     
  19. FOLZONI Registered Senior Member

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    Until you define what you mean by "classical information" - as opposed to just "information" - Boy Wonder, your posts are utterly meaningless even though they keep getting funnier.

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  20. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    The above image is a spacetime diagram of an experiment that covers, as it were, both quantum and classical measurement.
    Two entangled photons are generated at E, and measured at A and B. The classical part (of the measurement) is the decision about which polarization angle to measure independently, and when. In this diagram the measurements are on the future lightcone of E, but the decisions aren't.

    Salient points: E is an event, classically two photons "leave" E simultaneously. A and B are events which are also simultaneous or nearly so (in the experiment, to within 0.35 ns).

    So where, or what, is the quantum measurement (of quantum information)?
     
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  21. brucep Valued Senior Member

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    The experiment is a spacetime event. The empirical measurements are components of the event. The measurements are spacetime events. What's being measured is quantum phenomena.
     
  22. brucep Valued Senior Member

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    As wonderful as the Internet is it's a breeding ground for imbeciles.
     
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  23. FOLZONI Registered Senior Member

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    What you are describing with the spacetime diagram, arfa, is the notion of predestination i.e. complete determinism, where the universe is structured in such a way as to e.g. "predetermine positive Aspect experiments" etc.
    The quantum measurement is the testing of the quantum objects involved - in such a way as to produce a signal, hence multiple quantum-entangled objects are required.

    The spacetime diagram above however, given that it is only a 2-D model of a 4-D situation, misrepresents the situation through its extreme reductionism. Happily though, paddoboy has provided a most excellent analogy to the situation (thank you paddoboy!) viz.

    A "cocky on a biscuit tin lid" - is a 2-D model of a real cockatoo, but pity the poor fool who tries to tell us that the 2-D model should dictate events occurring to the 4-D authentic reality!

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    I.e. the spacetime representation is utterly useless - indeed worse than useless; it is like claiming the cocky on the biscuit tin lid can really fly because you can use it as a Frisbee!

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