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Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by ashpwner, Aug 8, 2007.

  1. ashpwner Registered Senior Member

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    Who poulrised the language people say the english but i think it's the americans lately i think most people leanr english from americans than the actual english todays standrads
     
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  3. draqon Banned Banned

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    History of America: previous colony of England.

    Today? people learn language from those who they interact with. England has many social groups.
     
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  5. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    WHAT? :bugeye:
     
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  7. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    I can't understand are you speaking english? do you check what you type at all?
     
  8. ashpwner Registered Senior Member

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    ah, sorry havent slept kinda tired. ill try again in todays world who do you think has tought the most people english and has the overall imapct on how wideley english is spoken. I think it's the americans due to there curent position that has the most impact on people learning english. is this any better?
     
  9. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    I've decided that anyone who does not care to take the little bit of time and spend a little effort to at least attempt to puntcuate enough to form simple sentences, does not deserve the time and effort it takes me to respond.

    If I'm not worth your effort, you're not worth mine.
     
  10. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    I was posting that last comment before YOUR last comment, ashpwner.
    Thank you for clarifying.
     
  11. allisone417 i'll be in my room Registered Senior Member

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    why do you make questions into statements.
     
  12. ashpwner Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry, I think it's just lazyness realy but hopefull it will get better since i'm going into year 10 soon and im gona ask for help with my english.
    So until then i'll try my best.
     
  13. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    I couldn't really say.
    Most Europeans and Indians I know seem to speak something closer to Queen's English, rather than American English.
     
  14. draqon Banned Banned

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    The issue of UK language is due to dialect leveling.

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  15. ashpwner Registered Senior Member

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    How come with have so many acents? In one country alone we have so many.
     
  16. superstring01 Moderator

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    Because not all of England spoke English. We're talking about an island that fathered probably ten known languages. As the English that we now call "English" took hold (about 400 years ago before then it was closer to German called "Anglo-Saxon"), it began to sub-plant those other languages (Scots Gaelic, Cornish, welsh, Anglo-Norman, to name a few). During the time that English was becoming English, villages in England were for all intents and purposes, isolated. You and I take for granted the level of mobility we have in our lives, but back then, more than 90% of the population ever visited any place outside of visual distance of the church steeple under which they were christened. That level of isolation led to very distinct linguistic developments. If you factor in the fact that England had several linguistic regions in which different languages were spoken (and thus, having different accents entirely), and then take into consideration the slow sub-planting of the "native" tongue for the slow spread of English, as I'm sure you can imagine, each region would have very distinct slang and accents.

    It is only in the past 200 years that England's accents have begun to meld into one. Although each region of England may still have distinct pronunciations; for the most part, the language is one.

    Likewise in the USA, this same thing was repeated on a larger scale, but with fewer results. You have four "basic" regional accents that are indigenous to the USA (though there would be several "semi-distinct" accents within each grouping): New England (easily divided between several states and counties), Southern (also having distinct varieties between Texas and Virginia, for example), Continental American ("Midwestern" or "Middle American", the quintessential American accent) and Creole ("Louisiana").

    ~String
     
  17. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    In Latvia at school I learned from English textbooks, and we had a separate subject of English Literature, where we mostly read the English classics. Of course we read works by American masters too.

    I hear nothing has changed and children are still taught "Her Majesty's" English. English language is an obligatory course in all Latvian schools.

    p.s. Your writing skills are truly awful, ashpwner.
     
  18. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, but did you say you are 10 ?
     
  19. superstring01 Moderator

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    Not here in the states. Although the rules, for the most part, are the same; in the USA, we occasionally have different spelling for words.

    USA / UK(Former Empire)
    **spelling**
    color / colour
    labor / labour
    program / programme
    **different terms**
    gas / petrol
    elevator / lift
    dental hygene / um... er... nevermind.

    ~String
     
  20. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Year ten of school.
    He's 14.
     
  21. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Ah ok.
     
  22. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Americans have a ton of 'em, too. I suppose we are a larger country, though. Just off the top of my head:

    • New York
    • New Jersey
    • Southern (Georgia)
    • Southern (Carolina)
    • Southern (Virginia)
    • Southern (Louisiana)
    • (There are many southern)
    • N'Orleans (separate from Louisiana)
    • Cajun (separate from Louisiana and N'Orleans)
    • Texas
    • Midwest (I don't know all the variants)
    • Dakota (Fargo)
    • Chicago
    • California
    • California (Surf)
    • California (Valley)
    • California (Napa)
    • Northwest Flat
    • Northwest Rural
    • Northeast (Boston)
    • Northeast (Maine)
    • Northeast (Blueblood)
    • (and on, and on ...)​

    It would be enough to say that there are fifty states, and therefore at least fifty accents. What's strange, though, is that in western Washington state, we came up speaking Northwest Flat, a curious accent that actually believes itself dictionary-proper when spoken clearly. (We would scoff if a New Jersey accent made the same claim, for instance.) What makes this even stranger is that the newscasters never sounded strange to me. I never noticed it when I was in Idaho or California. But when I went to New Orleans and the newscasters sounded exactly like they do in Seattle, I was flabbergasted. A friend told me it's like that in Texas, too. You would have to ask a professional linguist to see how all the various accents are related; it probably isn't fair to treat them individually, but neither can one generalize.

    I'm not sure, though, that most people pick up their English from Americans. Maybe in Japan and such, but India and Africa certainly seem to speak a more English accent and dialect.

    However, as I've been learning bits and pieces about various British-English words, I'm starting to think that maybe, just maybe, the English are bored with their language. It would make sense, in a way, but I can't say for sure that's happening.
     
  23. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    I read somewhere that American English is actually closer to "true" English as it has evolved less than Queen's English and is closer to what was spoken 300 years ago in England.
     

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