Endor: Uber Ewoks or Imperial Ineptitude?

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  1. Krieg Order Registered Senior Member

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    Considering the pitiful way in which the Rebels were able to enter the Imperial Base on Endor, it is obvious that it is Imperial Incompetence.

    Although the AT-STS were designed to be scout vehicles as well as small arms combat vehicles, there is no excuse for the technical/engineering vulnerabilities they had.

    I laughed my ass off when i realized that the Empire got their asses handed to them by poorly armed ewoks and small bands of rebels.

    Considering that the Endor base was so important to the maintenance of the Death Star II, it should have been protected more heavily with imperial forces.
     
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  3. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Damn. Very well put, and a good way to look at it too. The comparison was probably meant to be like that, considering that almost all of the Empire's officers, etc. had british accents, and that most of the rebels had american or pseudo-american accents.
     
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  5. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    either way the empire was weaker then 1 wookie and a few ewoks.its sad really,how pathetic and weak sw is.

    there best soldiers lose to ewoks,there biggest weapon gets taken out by one torpedo,there strongest villian gets killed by some fresh faced farm boy.

    not exactly a force to rekon with if you ask me.
     
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  7. Arquibus Master of Useless Information Registered Senior Member

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    Actually, they were not the best the Empire had to offer. They were busy guarding Coruscant, Kuat, and other important Imperial holdings, and the 501st was fighting elsewhere. Meanwhile, the Empire fought against the New Republic for another 20 odd years before peace was made, and it still retained a sizable portion of its original strength. Meanwhile, Mars continues to make meaningless posts about something which he feels strongly about but simply doesn't have the wit to come up with something better.
     
  8. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    actualy it was the empires lack of proper training,they manufactured more ships and weapons then they had DECENT troops for.

    haste makes waste and all that.
     
  9. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Well mars13 definately has his beliefs. Kinda the same way David Koresh did. Although I do hate to insult the late cult leader that way.

    Arquibus makes a great point. Especially since there were 1500 ewoks who were clever enough to figure out catapults, gliders, and pulleys before any metal working.
     
  10. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    so,the imperials beat the ewoks now?NO,they got their ASS handed to them by midget cave men.

    thats PATHETIC anyway you slice it.

    the most badass technology the SW galaxy had VS midget bears with sticks and rocks,and the sticks and rocks won.

    funny how ST has come up against cave men 12 feet tall and they manged to beat them just fine[galelao seven].
     
  11. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Mars you didn't read anything above did you? Oh what am I asking? Of course you didn't. There was no treknobabble in Arquibus' post so you ignored it completely.

    Here let me break it down in simple english.

    Rebels: 50 commandos armed with light repeating blasters, grenades, thermal detonators, vibro knives, and years of commando duties. Probably as former imperial commandos. The luckiest human in existance, his princess girlfriend, a royal wookie and two droids

    Ewoks: 1500 sentient and intelligent creatures perfectly adapted to their world, with an understanding of complex physical engineering and warrior culture.

    Empire: 244 stormtrooper armed with blaster carbines, 24 speeder bike equiped scouts and 4 AT-ST's

    No wonder the Imperials lost
     
  12. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    a rock tied to a stick is NOT complex engineering.

    its basicly a cave man vs a tank and somehow the cave man won.

    slice it anyway you want,sticks and rocks are ALL that was needed to take out the empire.
     
  13. Ifu Banned Banned

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    Well, it's obvious that mars and the others have lost this particular debate, but what I wonder: Why are you so intent on arguing this issue? Especially when people like Arquibas, TW Scott, and others have presented such logical arguments.

    Superior firepower, numbers, knowledge of the terrain, luck, and the intelligence to create a compelling story is what won that battle for the Rebel Alliance. Of course if there were a higher number of Imperials in the fight then it wouldn't have gone on as long (and probably wouldn't have turned out the same), but it wasn't meant to be, and Lucas wanted the Rebels to win.

    It's a feel-good ending, get used to it and stop crying.
     
  14. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    you should stop crying,you lost,its imperial ineptitude,plain and simple.


    and its not like endor is the ONLY example if trooper ineptitude.
     
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  15. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    okay so the intelligent and rational part of the community agrees the Ewoks could beat the Stormtrooper and that stormtropers beat redshirts. I like where this is going.
     
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  16. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    no,redshirts beat 12 FOOT CAVEMEN!!!

    only dumbass troopers get beat by midget cavemen.
     
  17. Krieg Order Registered Senior Member

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    There really should be a poll for this particular thread.
     
  18. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe but this is just honest discussion. Although Mars13 is lucky we don't analyze ST infantry. They make the ewoks look well armed and trained in comparaison.
     
  19. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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  20. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Oh yes! Craptastic hard to aim phasers and phaser rifles are so superior to blaster pistols, blaster rifles, repeating blasters, heavy repeating blaster, e-web blasters, frag launchers, missile launchers, grenades, thermal detonators, flamers, xerol nightstinger sniper rifles, AT-PT, AT-ST, AT-AT, speeders, tanks, artillery, mortars, and aerial insertion units. can you feel the sarcasm?
     
  21. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    what sarcasm,your ignorance of ST ground weapons is astonishing.


    hand phasers
    phase rifles
    heavy mounted phase canons
    runabout/defiant air support
    orbital paratroopers
    personal shield generaters
    tricorders
    stun grenades
    photon grenades
    grenade launchers
    ultritium explosives
    Isomagnetic Disintegrators
    global transporters
    portable replicaters
    massive theater shield generaters
    anti grav belts and rocket boots

    and thats just star fleet
     
  22. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    hand phasers seen them can't aim unless you practice a lot. no autofire feature, no suppressive fire. thin metal stops them completely. no changeable clips
    phase rifles as above except easier to aim
    heavy mounted phase canons as above except not portable
    runabout/defiant air support marginal usefulness at best
    orbital paratroopers with huge EM signatures
    personal shield generaters very rarely seen and of dubious quality even then
    tricorders useful but easily jammed
    stun grenades how well do those work versus armor
    photon grenades only in TOS and those were mortars
    grenade launchers that was a mortar
    ultritium explosives very hazardous to carry
    Isomagnetic Disintegrators oh disruptors SW has those too
    global transporters easily jammed
    portable replicaters same size and weight as rations for the same group of people. does improve morale as long as it works
    massive theater shield generaters must be confusing SW with ST again
    anti grav belts and rocket boots again not reliable

    I notice you are missing:
    Scout vehicles
    Tanks
    APC's
    Aerial support of a non starship scale
    Artillery
    Personal Armor
    manportable heavy weapons
    chemical weapons
     
  23. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    phasers have hands free fire mode,and they have constant beam mode,as well as pulse fire mode,and wide beam and varible power settings.

    and phasers are 1000X more accurate then a blaster,ever played jedi knight 2?

    runabouts and defiants ARE support ships.

    and tricorders are easily jammed?by what?as well as the global transporters,how are you planning on jamming them without incasing the planet in a shield?

    and photon grenade launchers take out everything within a couple hundred meters.


    personal shield generaters can withstand direct phasers blasts,so they should be MORE then adapt at stopping blasters.

    and replicaters are SMALL[suitcase size],one can feed an army in a few hours using only the ambient materials availible.

    and if you have ever WATCHED trek you would have seen their theater shields stop a GIANT wall of fire.

    so instant resupply,instant travel to ANYWHERE on the planet,VERY powerful hand held weapons,anti grav flight tech, MASSIVE air support,personal shields that STOP blasts[unlike trooper armour that cant stop crappy rock tipped arrows],theater shields that can withstand HUGE attacks,and FAR superior training.

    yeah,thats not going to beat some random grunt troopers that stick out with there ineffective WHITE uniforms.

    also,air support can stun entire armies in seconds with wide beam phasers.

    you lost to sticks and rocks,hell i bet LINCOLN could take a trooper in a fight.or the trekkies could just throw out there superior tech and fight with sticks and rocks,that would at least make it a FAIR fight.
     

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