End Of Times - Sun Rise From West On MARS

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  1. Mohammed Hamza Registered Member

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    The science of astronomy states that the speed of planet Mars has been decreasing in its course toward the eastern direction in the few past weeks to the level we notice the "waver" between the east and the west and on Wednesday the 30th of July 2003 the planet movement stopped going toward the eastern direction.

    Then in the months of August and September Mars changed its course in the opposite direction to the West- and that until the end of September which means the sun rise from the west on Mars!!

    And this weird phenomena of the opposite movement called "Retrograde Motion" Most scientist state that all the planets will go through the same once at least and our planet Earth is one of them. Planet Earth will move in the opposite direction some day and the sun will rise from the west!!

    This might occur soon and we are unaware!

    Our beloved messenger Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him) said: "One of the signs of the hour. The sun will rise from the west, where no longer tauba (forgiveness) will be granted" !!

    And the strange thing, most of our Shariah scholars mentioned that the rise of the sun from the west occurs only once on that day and the sun will rise from the west then again from the east and continues until Allah wishes and this is similar to what is happening to Mars it stops, then it changes its course of direction for a short period of time, then returns to way once it was.
     
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  5. Mohammed Hamza Registered Member

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    This might not true that the Eart will stop and reverse its course of direction....
    But the 2nd part I've mentioned that the sun will rise from the west is 100% true... and it will happen some day on Earth as it is one of the major signs of 'End of time'.
    I am not sure whether planet Mars has undergone such a phenomena....
    Its just the illusion with respect to earth...Now your common senses would tell you that planets just don't decide they want to go round the Sun the other way and you would of course be right. What you're seeing is a sort of celestial illusion of sorts. What's really happening is that Earth is catching up to Mars (as it must for an opposition) and then passing the red planet. An analogy to understand this is when you are driving down the freeway and pass a slower car. From the faster car's perspective the other car appears to be moving the opposite direction, but of course that's not what really happens.

    Earth is moving faster than Mars and so we overtake Mars and pass it. Mars appears to be moving the opposite direction, a motion called retrograde motion. When Mars displays retrograde motion, it appears to etch out a looped path. The loop is because Earth and Mars' orbits are not in exactly the same plane.

    This retrograde loop of Mars is a terrific display of celestial geometry. The loops vary from opposition to opposition.
     
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  7. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    No. The Earth won't ever reverse its direction of motion around the Sun - not unless it is hit by something very big (i.e. planet-sized).

    And Mars doesn't ever reverse its direction around the Sun, either. As you've discovered, the "retrograde motion" is an illusion caused by the relative motion of the Earth and Mars. We sometimes see Mars apparently go backwards in the sky, but that is because Earth is overtaking it in its orbit at those times (because Earth is closer to the Sun than Mars).

    No. The Earth won't ever reverse its direction of rotation on its axis - not unless it is hit by something very big (i.e. planet-sized).

    It looks like you may have a long time to wait for these "end times" if you're waiting for the Earth to start spinning the other way.

    It hasn't.
     
  8. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe you are confusing the reverse with Mars axial tilt change which varied fro 13 to 40 degrees thus melting its ice caps
     
  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    youreyes:

    When did that axial tilt change, and why?
     
  10. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    The two moons of Mars distabilize the tilt over period of millions of years with addition to Olympus Mons center of mass shift.
     
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    So there are three misconceptions in the above post.

    1) Mars APPEARS to move backwards from our perspective but its speed really isn't changing. It is relative motion. Imagine driving behind a truck, then passing it and pulling back into the lane. A passenger might say "gee, from my perspective the truck was stopped ahead of us, then it backed up for a while until it was behind us, then stopped!" - when in fact the truck was doing 60mph the whole time.

    2) Orbital speed has nothing to do with rotation. If the Earth "reversed its orbit" the sun would still rise in the East.

    3) Retrograde bodies orbit in the opposite direction as the most other bodies in a given system. They don't suddenly change.

    So if you're worried about forgiveness ending when the Sun rises in the west; fear not - you'll have it forever (at least for as long as we have a planet and a sun.)
     
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    No, Mar's moon's do not destabilize Mars axial tilt, they are just not massive enough to stabilize it as our own Moon does for Earth. Because of this lack of a stabilizing influence, Mars' tilt changes by 10's of degrees over ~100,000 years, while due to our large Moon, Earth's only varies ~2 degrees over 41,000 years.
     
  13. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    thank you I realize my fault in wording.

    What I meant was that the two moons do not help in stabilizing the Mars axial tilt.
     
  14. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Really? That's a blink of an eye in geological terms.
    Has Mars flipped completely over a number of times since its formation, then?
     
  15. Landau Roof Registered Senior Member

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    Consider that the mass of the Moon is 7.347 x 10 to the 22nd power kg while Earth 's is​
    5.97219×10 to the 24th kg. Mars itself is 6.4185 × 10 to the 23rd power kg while Mars' moons are much less massive than Mars itself. Deimos is 1.4762×10 to the 15th kg and Phobos is 1.0659×10 to the 16th kg. So Earth's moon has a lot more influence on it than Mars' two moons influence the red planet.

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  16. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    That would definitely be The End for us.
     
  17. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    Ancient writings were often written in symbolism to impart wisdom. Symbols are spatial concepts that are processed in the right side of the brain; use integral and intuitive thinking. The left side of the brain is more rational and differential and thinks in terms of signs, with signs more linear. The statue of liberty is a unique statue in New York Harbor. This sign or literal association is how the left brain thinks. The right brain sees this statue as an artistic symbol of liberty which is not easy to define. It is not a tangible thing but something that need meditation; grasp without touching.

    The sun rising in the west of Mars can either be taken literally, as a left brain sign. This is tangible and can be investigated by science. Or it can be thought of intuitively, as a 3-D symbol, as something that needed to be seen without the eyes or felt without hands.

    If we look at the various symbolism associated with the sun rising in the West on Mars, Mars is the red planet and was associated with a fiery star and/or god war; god of war was Mars. On earth where humans live, the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. The sun is symbolic consciousness, in general, and the inner self. The sun and consciousness brings light or awareness. East on earth symbolizes birth or youth while west is age and death. Each sun rise a new day appears and goes to death as the night appears.

    The sun rising in the West on Mars, would symbolize war coming to awareness connected to old age. Or the old timers are the creators of war, with this awareness and death passed on to the youth; west to east. The people in power, who tend to be older, seeking more power, create social division and war. This works down the chain of command with the youth sacrificed in the fight, so they sun sets early; west to east.
     
  18. Amar Nath Reu Be your own guru Registered Senior Member

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    What Wikipedia says is that in one billion years, the sun would become so hot as the evaporate all water on earth. That would perhaps be the end. Or the species that are there at that time will need some 'heat dissipater' technology.
     
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    Landau: those are some freaking small, close moons.
     
  21. Jason.Marshall Banned Banned

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    This is expressing metaphorical symbolism in my opinion the great battle of good and evil when aries god of war is an imposter false emperor for he is not the first and he will be dethroned and defeated by the Sun because in this solar system nothing revolves around that pathetic parasite aries "mars" everything in this solar system revolves around the Sun the 8th is upon us corner pocket 8 ball.
     

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