Empirical Evidence of God

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  1. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    And then what would happen on day 2?
     
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  3. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    There would be no cancer and there would be peace...and all was good!

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  5. Michael 345 Bali tonight Valued Senior Member

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    Nooooo

    I don't require anything of god

    How come religious people have, in my opinion, a exceedingly difficulty problem understanding atheist do not believe in god leading to strange questions like "But that is what you require of God?"

    Remember your question was what evidence is required

    Soooo moving Everest and or walking through the Great Wall for me would be evidence

    You stated YOU cannot do either

    Now is the time to produce god and ask him to do one or both

    If such happens he may get more than me as a convert

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  7. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    It's a good question but one to which my only honest answer is: I don't know.
    People may talk of moving mountains, or walking through walls, but I am not sure this would convince me of anything more than an incredibly powerful alien.
    I would, however, avoid starting with any a priori assumption of God's existence, that might simply result in question-begging, the "God Is therefore everything is evidence of God" approach.
    But ultimately, I simply don't know.
    I think God, if God exists, is beyond empirical evidence, and God's existence is empirically unprovable and unfalsifiable.
    But then I don't start with the assumption that God exists, nor with the assumption that God doesn't exist.
     
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  8. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    So the general principle here is that conflict and cancer do not arise from our individual and collective lifestyle choices?
     
  9. Michael 345 Bali tonight Valued Senior Member

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    Soooo what would it take a
    to convince you of existence of god or will you stick with "beyond empirical evidence, and God's existence is empirically unprovable and unfalsifiable"

    If you are going with beyond it appears to me you had already had a mind set to negotiate our evidence put forward because of the beyond mind set

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  10. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    Seems somewhat of a non sequitur.
    First, the cause of conflict and/or cancer is irrelevant to whether one would find its absolute cessation / cure to be evidence of God (as asked by the OP).
    Second, cancer can be reduced through lifestyle choice but not eliminated: mutations will always occur naturally, some leading unfortunately to cancer.
    Lifestyle choices merely raise or reduce the risk, but it is always non-zero.
     
  11. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    As said, I find the only honest answer to be: I don't know.
    How would you tell whether moving Everest to the pyramids was genuinely the work of God or just really powerful aliens, capable of performing such feats?
    Similarly with walking through the Great Wall of China?
     
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  12. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    God should be able to appear in physical form for each human on the planet...all the time...so he can guide protect and be with the object of his love.At present it seems he is there for all so all that is laxking is a physical manifestation.. .he could help you lift things.
    He is in all of us now well be God present as a big helper mentor real love.
    I wonder if because I just made that up if it will come to pass...
    I do conclude the future is after tomorrow and there is a lot of it in next month.
    Little bits of future next year as well.
    Believe it or drown for ever in the infernal bucket of filth and disgust.
    Alex
     
  13. Michael 345 Bali tonight Valued Senior Member

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    Get a few physics Scientists involved and ask for their expertise if if such feats were feasible

    I'd be surprised if they were
    But let's push it further

    Let's ask god to give us a tour of the inside of the sun or a black hole

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  14. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Again, it's your premise, and therefore your burden to prove. I don't think it's possible, it's a nonsensical question.
     
  15. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    It is already proven by any empirical line of inquiry delivering a grossly incomplete picture of the world.
    If you want more proof, you will have to start being more specific.
     
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  16. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't say a photograph. I said sit Him down on my couch. Photographs can be faked.

    And yet you can't produce even a photograph of God.
     
  17. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    So what are you looking for specifically in God? Like if God knocks on your door, and asks if its still ok to come in and sit on your couch, how are you going to spot an imposter?
     
  18. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Roll Him out and we'll worry about imposters later. The question is about whether the thing exists at all, in any tangible way, not whether fakes are possible.
     
  19. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    If you can't bring criteria to a "thing" you can't begin to move in the direction of existence (or no existence). For instance if you have no clue about what a gold bullion bar is, you will probably have no shortage of people willing to sell you one at a very special discount price.
     
  20. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Your "criteria" is a red herring. I'm not asking for anything that I wouldn't ask about any "elephant in the room". If it's there, you should be able to show it in any number of ways.
     
  21. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    On the contrary, your lack of criteria is a red herring. If you don't believe me, you should head down to the fruit stall to buy this incredibly cheap gold bullion :

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  22. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Lack of something is not a thing.

    I'm saying use ANY criteria. Show us ANY evidence. IF we reject it, you can have your favorite whine. You can't reject the rejection until the rejection is done.
     
  23. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    If you believe in a god or gods, present your proof. Don't ask people who don't believe in elves and fairies to think up things you can't seem to produce.
     

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