Electric Voice Phenomenon

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience Archive' started by terpinator72, Jan 9, 2005.

  1. terpinator72 Science = Ecclesisates 1 V 18 Registered Senior Member

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    With the movie white noise debuted this weekend.. I thought it would be proper to discuss this phenomenon..

    As I really dont have any knowledge of this, I again am starting a thread to facilitate discussion..


    Theory 1.. Explanation 1... GIVE ME YOURS!

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  3. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    What is the phenomena?
    The belief that dead people are trying to contact the living and this can be heard in white noise on the radio/TV?
    I only saw one quick preview on my work computer (no sound) so that's about all I could glean from it.

    Is this based on any stories, or a purely fictional account from a creative mind?
    If it is a purely fictional account, then there no phenomena TO discuss. :bugeye:
    Maybe you should start a thread in the Art forum to discuss the FILM?

    If it is based on supposed real-life accounts, maybe links to (or recounts of) specific claims would be in order.
     
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  5. terpinator72 Science = Ecclesisates 1 V 18 Registered Senior Member

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    I dont care abotu the movie tardo.... I am intersted in the documented information.
     
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  7. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Well that's exactly what I was trying to figure out from your poorly worded and vague post, dumb-ass.

    Anyway, if we can move on, have you heard of any reports of this in real life?
    I haven't, but would be interested.
     
  8. terpinator72 Science = Ecclesisates 1 V 18 Registered Senior Member

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    EHEHHEH thats funny dude!

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    No I never heard of this untill seeing the movie actually.. thats why im interested also.
     
  9. terpinator72 Science = Ecclesisates 1 V 18 Registered Senior Member

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    My theory is that.... Sound waves for instance probably never actually stop bouncing around... Eventually they are reemitted and picked up again..

    That seems viable..
     
  10. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    I heard about some WWII radio stuff being picked up in a completely sealed room or something like that. A couple people posted about that kinda stuff in another thread somewhere in this forum probably around 3-4 months ago.

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  11. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    Sound waves loose energy very quickly.... and I know of no way a normal object could 'hold' sound for years and then spontaneously play it back.
     
  12. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Suggested method for the reproduction of the phenomona is to utilise an antenna array to manipulate the harmonisation of "matter" to generate an "echo". Quite simply one frequency excites a wall into outputting a lower level frequency that is audible.
     
  13. lowefly Registered Senior Member

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    Well I've heard of this supposedly happening but I don't believe it's the ghosts of our loved ones that have passed. I have heard actual recordings of this and while the noises are unsettling there is no way to prove exactly what the origin is. Even if the noise is from a supernatural origin it still wouldn't mean the noises came from ghosts.
     
  14. MacM Registered Senior Member

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    There have been several actual recorded cases where people's dental work have picked up radio signals and you can here voices, etc coming from the
    natural anttenas.

    In that regard it is not difficult to envision cases where walls could talk etc.
     
  15. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps the reason the talking walls make little sense is that many of them are plastered.
     
  16. Fortuna Registered Senior Member

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    EVP,

    For some information on how they do it (or think they do it), go to aaevp.com.

    Macm is correct in that you can hear strong AM signals in wierd places. In my area, we have a clear channel AM radio station (700 WLWT), and I have heard it myself in bedsprings. I regularly hear it in my IR headphones when the base transmitter is off.

    Anyway, EVP people think that they are hearing the voices of the dead in white noise.
    The problem is that white noise (i.e. like the static you pick up on old AM or SW radios between stations) will also contain amplitude modulated signals and their harmonics on just about any tuner frequency. EVP is even worse than that. As I understand it, they
    get a white noise source (a radio or TV tuned to static) and record it with a tape recorder or even a computer microphone and software. Oh yes, and while they have this setup running, they ask questions to which they expect answers (think of it as a talking electronic ouija board).
    What they do next is mind-blowing. They play back the recording, listening for a response. if they dont get what they want, they play it fast, slow, backwards, isolate bands (with the software setup) until they hear something that sounds like an answer to their question.
    Many will then clean it up and "enhance" the word or phrase, and then claim

    They then go through the recording looking for the answers. And of course, they find them. There are many logical explanations for what they hear. It could be the local AM station, its harmonics, cross modulation (2 or more AM signals heard together) ,etc.

    Randi has debunked these guys many times. The best way to debunk them is to let them record for at least 30 minutes. Every 30 minutes, any commercial radio station will give its station identification, which you will hear. If there is a strong AM or SW station in your area, simultaneously monitor it, time index it and the EVP recording, and you'll often find out the source of their ghostly message.

    Many HAms also still use AM, and they are supposed to also give their call signals (though many dont).

    Og course they will argue that they will put their white noise antenna in a shielded container, either ignorant of the fact that the tape recorder or computer circuitry itself will pick up strong AM signals and get them onto their recording medium.

    But, I have argued this repeatedly with people who are convinced that they are the voices of the dead, and gotten nowhere with them. They are convinced, and like a hardcore religious belief, they wont accept any other explanation.

    I have to remember that these are the same people who think Sylvia Brown is gifted, and are willing to pay her $650 per 1/2 hour to have her read them over the telephone.

    But, as PT Barnum says, "there's a sucker born every minute". And I'm one of them. Instead of trying to debunk this stuff, and trying to tell people the truth, I should be out there holding EVP sessions and making $650/hour from them. Why do I bother trying to tell the truth when people would much rather believe a fantasy, and pay me for it too. Yes, it seems that I'm the idiot !
     
  17. MacM Registered Senior Member

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    Ha LOL Good one. I like that.

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  18. Silas asimovbot Registered Senior Member

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    Excellent post, Fortuna. Remote Viewing more or less works the same way - you search amongst all the drawings until you find something that looks vaguely like the answer, then declare a "hit".
     
  19. buyblink182cds Banned Banned

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    the movie was crap
     
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