Election Disaster Strikes U.S.A. - A, No!

With the Kerry concession speech just ended the speculation of the future of the Democratic party has begun. Even an all time high total voter turnout of around 120 million voters (about 60% of eligible voters) could not even remotely shake loose the grip of Republican power on both the White House and the Congress. In fact, the turnout only served to strengthen it. So what will happen to the world now? If they are very, very lucky, one day, all of the nations of the world will one day experience what the U.S.A. has just experienced. A free and fair election decided by the common people.

Isn't that after all what we are all fighting for in the world today. Love the result, or hate it, you must concede. Freedom and democracy won again in America. If only the downtrodden citizens of Iraq, or Rawanda, or China could experience what it is like to lose the hard fought battle of a bitter campaign only to realize upon reflection, that freedom and democracy triumphed, and that you still live in country that has a fundamentally sound form of government.....for the people, and by the people. That was greatly illustrated today in the most powerful economic and military power the world has ever seen.

Two massive and very well oiled political machines with very different ideologies clashed violently together and yet the loser can calmly proclaim as Mr. Kerry just did that "America is not only great. America is good." As one devasted young supporter shouted to Mr. Kerry from the balcony in the birthplace of democracy in Boston, Massachussets "We still have your back", he looked up and said "You just watch....I still have your back too." And that is what America is shouting at the top of its lungs to the rest of the world in political turmoil today..... "The common people have spoken and we still have your back" America always moves forward, and as freedom and democracy spread, the world will move forward with it. Let freedom ring.

 

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Next step in the democratic process is for some strong senators to start an impeachment process against Bush!

Atta Boy

 

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I think this is how most of the rest of the world sees it:

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i dont see it like that.

the only people who ive heard speak like that is half of this forum and the people at school who think they are intelligent.
by intelligent, that means saying politics or philosophy every 5 words.
true intelligence is rare.

 

I'm in England and everybody I know and I mean everybody thinks thats the way it is.
We can't believe you've voted this idiot in again.

 

Intelligence will not change the world one little bit; intelligence and the wisdom of experience in action will. You cannot have change without emotion. There is emotional intelligence.

 

im not american, im english

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"true" intelligence i said, not intelligence

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The necessary future of the Democratic Party is clear: Play the role of an opposition party while operating with compassion for the American people. The folks who elected Bush actually don't need our scorn. While they will holler like anyone else when they think someone's doing something wrong, they can't imagine they're doing anything wrong at any time, and thus wonder why anyone's hollering at them. Chewing them out as they deserve according to their standards will, of course, only make them more determined to celebrate their disease.

Contagion: Misery loves company. And since ignorance is bliss, what more could any miserable soul ask for than blissful misery?

Well, there's always healing and growth, but these things threaten the new America.

Thinking people remember: love thy neighbor. As these next four years go by, as the numbness fades and life resumes with a new tint, don't hold onto the bitter disappointment. Liberals have a mission: Intervention against self-destructive behavior.

And compassion is the utmost.

Love thy neighbor as you hope to love thyself.

The water's warm. The razor's sharp. Straightjackets and medication won't work: we must help them to see there are better options than suicide.

To the other, when it comes to Democratic and other liberal brethren who are having trouble figuring things out, we must consider the simple bitch-slap. If they remember why they're liberal, they, too, can help save their victorious neighbors from self-destruction.

America--these are the stakes: to preserve the ideals by which all the world's people may be free, else the good night calls. We must love one another, else we will die.

Ashes, ashes.

 

Yea........Agreed! America has just voted in the biggest idiot for president that has ever been elected president. America's only hope is to impeach him! Let's hope that's possible........

Atta Boy

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"America has just voted in the biggest idiot for president that has ever been elected president."


a bit like last time then

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America has elected a lot of idiots to be President, from both parties. It is almost irrelevant. The process is much more important than the result. Remember what everyone said about Ronnie Reagan, the actor. But it was he who proclaimed "Mr. Gorbachev, tear DOWN this wall!". American economic and military might will continue to accomplish great things in the world, and it will also screw up occasionally as in Iraq. It will do even more good if the rest of the world works with it than against it. Win/win solutions abound.

 

What are you going to say if 9/11 happens again? Bush is the man! He can protect America? How do you think he's going to protect America if he can't even catch Osama? If he put all of America's resources into trying to capture Osama, he would have been captured or killed by now. Instead, Bush has basically destroyed anther country who really didn't poise a threat to the U.S. and didn't really even have the resources to even threaten it..........War on terror? Who's kidding who? WMD? Give us a break!

Atta Boy

 

It will do even more good if the rest of the world works with it than against it. Win/win solutions abound.


Tell this to any middle eastern(not Israel) or south American country.

If the 'rest of the world' works against us then we can give them some of our good old win/win.

Your original post is nice, as far as it goes. The president and republicans have indeed won. It is a tragic shame of the 'process' that half the voters now have no say in the country. The only check left in the whole balance of powers is a senate ability to hold up nominations and filibuster. The president has wasted no time in using the word 'mandate' either. The hawks have gotten a wet dream. Nothing to stop the 'architect' and his plans now. No possibilitiies of impeachment. I find nothing to be happy about.


To the non-Americans out there:
Although Bush won and is calling his mandate the answer to the prayers of the oppressed he has no such mandate.
Half the nation is opposed to Bush, many of these decisively so. There is no agreement that Bush's new American century is good for the world. Yet he won. He has already set the stage for endless wars to "protect the safety and freedom for our children" in his victory speech. The applause here was at its most muted. (they simply don't see what's coming).

In short, know that we are a deeply divided nation. The hawks in no way have the full support of the American people. Yet they won. God help us.

 

Norman,

But isn't the reason why he was able to get re-elected because it has NOT been attacked again with the same or worse effect? Bush built a huge following by convincing people he has the strength and moral will to defeat terrorism. Remember the rabid shouts of USA!, USA!, USA!, that he elicited on 9/12 when he suddenly appeared at the WTC ground zero site. Those were mostly New York Democrats (and union members) shouting that.

Kerry was viewed as a weak, undecisive, peace loving liberal, even though he is certainly not weak or indecisive and was a legitimate war hero (see movie "Going Up River" soon on DVD). He was forced to make Iraq the big Bush weakness and NOT terrorism. That was a huge mistake as all of the exit polls as shown (see CNN). Iraq was only the fourth most important election issue to Americans. People always look inward first don't they?

Americans are willing to overlook many mistakes (as Iraq was) if they think they are safer overall with one guy than the other. Are people any different really in England? Remember Churchill? I think in the end they just saw Bush as being the tougher, more courageous and trustworthy candidate. Think the new sheriff in a wild and wooly Dodge City. Apparently, no matter how ridiculous, it worked very well. The terrorists really did shoot themselves in the foot on 9/11. Their dream of a pan-arabic state is gone now. Both candidates said repeatedly, to great applause everywhere, that they would hunt down and kill them all. Ask Sadaam if he thinks Bush will do it. This was one crazy election but we live in a very crazy and dangerous world. Only freedom and democracy will win out. Watch and learn people.

 

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Tell this to any middle eastern(not Israel) or south American country. "

You mean like Panama, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Afghanistan, or the Kurdish Province in Iraq since 1992. You see ten million Afghan people vote for the first time in their lives and completely ignore it. The forty-nine per cent of Americans who lost this election are still the second most powerful force for good in the rest of the world even without the leadership of the White House or Congress. It matters not in the long run. "There are no losers in an American election because when we all wake up in the morning, we are Americans." - Sen. John Kerry said today. I'm sure the French, Germans, Brits, Aussies, Canucks, and Kiwis all would say the same thing, no? It is time to pull together for freedom and democracy, not sulk and slip into unwarranted bitterness. The democratic party lost fair and square. I lost too. Better luck next time. The common people have spoken. Let's Roll!

 

All of the Bush rhetoric is meaniless. The problem is, sorry to say, that too many of the american people believed it. Bush unfortunely will always be considered a 'joke' as president. His Iraq policies were ill planned and now has created an almost irreversible caos in the embattered country. History will hold him accountable for it. Hopefully, impeachment someday (soon I hope) will help the rest of world & america to forget GWB..........

Atta Boy

 

The democratic party is clinging to a dead model. Now is their chance to end this shit with the big government socialism. If they reach out to the fiscal conservatives, libertarians, and other assorted lovers of small and efficient government, they should be able to take at least a third of the Republican party. They must isolate the Republican party as the party of the religious right and offer an attractive destination for the rest of the republican party.

Whoops, they will just stick with all their old cronies...the very weakness that allowed the Republicans to maneuver themselves onto all the highground. It's not that Bush is so charismatic or anything, it's that the Democrats keep looking at the popular vote percentages and thinking they must be close, and failing to do any meaningful soul searching as a party. The Democratic party as it stands is a Baby Boomer fantasy of saving the world through government, and no one believes that's possible anymore. Now it will be enough just to save the world from government. The former is socialism, the latter is libertarianism.

At least now a very large portion of the country is ready for fundamental changes to the government. Reel it in. Keep it small. Don't tread on me.

If you took Badnarik and the Libertarian platform and gave him the organization of the Democrats, and basically made the Democrats a for real libertarian party (as opposed to the pie-in-the-sky we like to lose gang of L fame), I think it's obvious that they'd stomp the republicans head to head. OK maybe not Badnarik, but they could get a much better candidate if the party were operating on a major pary scale.

 

but the neoconservatives are into big government! They just ride the republicans like a brain parasite, it is perfect: say one thing, do another.

 

Actually the libertarians are something below the scale (close to anarchists)

 

You mean like Panama, Nicaragua, El Salvador

You cannot be serious. Tell me your not serious. I could hardly have chosen 3 better examples myself.

The democratic party lost fair and square.

This is under investigation. It doesn't look good either. Do not expect to hear of electronic voter tampering on the corporate media.

The common people have spoken. Let's Roll!

Yeah...That's exactly what America has said in this election. :bugeye: Let's Roll? I hope you are of draftable age. See how you like sand in your boots and sweaty/sandy underwear. Here's a hint. you won't speak the language, you will be hotter than you ever have in your life, you will be sick of warm water drunk by the gallon, prehydrate will enter your daily vocabulary, and anybody not in US desert combat fatigues will want to kill you. Let's Roll!