Egyptian girl strips to protest; western media censors her photos

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  1. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    SAM's being mucky.
     
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  3. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Calm down, Me Ki.
    Why shouldn't Frag call himself a musician?
    You are out of order.
    You should apologise.
    Alternatively, keep a low profile for a bit.
    You don't sound well at the moment.
     
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  5. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Except you fail to note that the Afghan constitution guarantees equal rights for women, it also allows the Shia community, (~10 per cent of the population), the right to settle family law cases according to Shia law and THIS law is essentially allowing them to do so.

    The Shiite Personal Status Law contains provisions on marriage, divorce, inheritance, rights of movement and bankruptcy, but it doesn't, as you suggest, allow rape by husbands.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-refuse-feed-wives-deny-sex-says-cleric.html

    http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/4a24ed5b2.html
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Which of course makes it all the more ironic that the Taliban does not recognose Shia Personal Law, but Karzai government does

    What NATO and Kabul can learn from their enemy.
     
  8. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Right. Same as Iraq, where the Shias are now in governance. Like the Iranian Supreme Council. Traditional mediation vs clerical laws. And Americans support...clerical laws?
     
  10. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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  11. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Likewise, ought corporatocracy-ism (often wrongly referred to as corporatism, which is something else entirely) and scientism (again, I'm not referring to simply a "rational" "faith" in scientific methodologies, but something altogether different; namely, scientism) be regarded as religions?

    If one considers a standard definition of the supernatural:
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/supernatural

    --then, perhaps: yes.

    I mean, do the adherents of scientism and corporatocracy-ism not shew an "irrational faith in the supernatural" by regarding scientific methodologies as the universal authoritative epistemology for all subjects of enquiry and according corporations the status of "personhood" and all rights of "persons"? Is all knowledge quantifiable, can every human, and non-human, concern be "solved" by science? Are corporations sentient, do they dream, do they bleed?

    And I'd suggest that both are--or can be--far worse than, say, Jainism, for instance.
     
  12. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    As regards the Corporates, definitely not.
    They care about nothing but yearly profit figures.
    They are neither atheistic nor religious.

    Generally atheists, if they are decent people, have their own explanations for morality, compassion, kindness etc.

    This means nothing to the corporate mentality.
    All that matters is profit.
     
  13. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, they care about the yearly profit figures religiously, those yearly profit figures are their god!
     
  14. Hellenologophobia Registered Senior Member

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    Not wearing a burka is progress, and it doesn’t allow marital rape, but…

    “The Shia Family Law was passed for the 3 to 6 million Shia Muslims who reside in Afghanistan. Under the law, women must not refuse the husband's sexual demands, women must comply to intercourse every four days unless sick, women may not gain employment or receive education without their husband's permission, wives leaving home must do so with male escort or with permiss”ion and they must dress up and wear cosmetics according to the husband's desires. Refusal to do any of these would be illegal for the woman and can be enforced — the husband may stop feeding her.”

    http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Afghanistan_women_protest_Shia_Family_Law
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Some people just need a sympathetic pat

    on the head

    with a hammer
     
  16. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, everything has to increase, increase.
    More and more.
    Pure wickedness.
     
  17. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    yeah
     
  18. Gustav Banned Banned

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    i suppose the iranians could use a pat too...
    The Iranian government calls it the Family Protection Bill, but activists call it the “Anti-Family Protection Bill.”

    It would give men the right to take a second wife without the permission of the first, and it would enshrine a man’s right to have an unlimited number of temporary marriages, which can last from 10 minutes to 99 years.

    Read more
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Its a very old law, similarly to hand fasting.

    Some people dumped it some didn't

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut‘ah

    I think the only thing that distinguishes it from a casual affair is that the man takes financial responsibility for the children.
     
  20. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    You miss the point.
    The Shia are a sizable portion of Aghanistan and when the Afghans formed their own Constitution, one of the Shia's representatives requirements to support it was that they would be able to practice Shia law.

    This is that law.

    Of course its nuckin futs to us Westerners:

    Consider this part of their law:

    But so?

    It's still better than it was under the Taliban.

    For instance, in writing the law, one of the requirements is that Shia Law couldn't be contrary to the Afghan Constitution.

    So for instance the age of marriage for Shia women (most of which are arranged) was raised from 9 to 16.

    http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/4a24ed5b2.html

    Arthur
     
  21. Gustav Banned Banned

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    oh
    thats anti-man then
    i am against it
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So how is it working out in practice? What can they do under Shia law that was not available to them before?

    Nope. Its anti-woman. If the man is going to take responsibility for the kids, then the woman has to go through a period of iddat between contracts. Most nikaah mutaah have a "no divorce required" written into the marriage contract - in Islam, marriage is a contract - because well, the whole purpose is a temporary arrangement that can be easily set aside, so the woman has to wait 3 months between contracts to ensure correct assignment of paternity
     
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