Egyptian girl strips to protest; western media censors her photos

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by S.A.M., Nov 20, 2011.

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  1. S.A.M.

    S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I recommend you read how the Soviets were lured into Afghanistan by the Americans, note that the Soviet Union was an ally of the Afghans during the time these pictures were taken

    Also, if you are interested in the opinions of the women of Afghanistan, they are freely available to access at rawa, although you won't recognise any of them, because they are not invited to comment at CNN - haven't you ever wondered, for a country going to save women across the oceans why none of these women ever make an appearance on mainstream media so we can hear their opinions? Why only bikini clad Afghan women are news? Why not invite the women who stood for Presidential elections or activists who work with the reconstruction programs?

    For example:

     
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  3. James R

    James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    SAM:
    You're still not making a clear point.

    One more try?

    If you had linked appropriately to the images in the first place, then I would have had no reason to edit your posts and add in my warnings.

    We've established that. Now I wish to discuss your idea of forcing people to view material you think they need to see.

    I suppose your ideal would be SAM-run state TV or something, with citizens forced to tune in at a particular time each day to see SAM's "educational" propaganda information.

    Only you, then? People really ought to be forced to see what you want them to see.

    So your forcing is only for adults, then, perhaps with an expectation that parents should also force their children to absorb some of the stuff.

    I wouldn't subject anybody to torture. What a strange question. How about you? How is this relevant to anything?

    No. How is this relevant to anything?

    Interesting.

    So if 4-year old children are potential rape victims, then all 4 year olds should be shown rape imagery, I suppose.

    And I suppose all kids should be shown war imagery, including bloody mutilations etc.

    Regarding sexual predators, I think that children should be warned when they are old enough to understand what they are being warned about. At an early age, rather than exposing a young child to ideas such as sexual intercourse, rape and indecent assault, I would advocate warning children about "stranger danger" and the like. How about you? Would you advocateforcing children to watch explicit films about rape, say?

    I don't know about you, but I'm in no way complicit in the Abu Graib tortures.

    Nor do I think that I, or anybody else, should be forced to view those pictures.

    There's awareness, then there's ramming stuff down people's throats against their will - you know, forcing.

    You're all for freedom as long as it means people do what you want them to do.

    What has been censored here?
     
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  5. S.A.M.

    S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Its explained here in detail, have at it
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_picture_is_worth_a_thousand_words

    I've linked many of those pictures before and they are from mainstream news media which I assumed is the criteria for appropriateness on sciforums. Now I find that the one photo which is NOT from mainstream media is the one not moderated. So I understand that the moderation is arbitrary



    Sure
    No I think the civil liberties union does a fine job


    No I think that people should be aware of self censorship in the news media


    Thats the goal yes, maybe with greater awareness, you'd have less teenagers posing with dead children across the globe.

    Right, but this is the social standard yes? People are old enough to be carpet bombed even before they are born but even adults are not old enough to see the results of the carpet bombing.


    Its about hypocrisy mostly. What choice do those starving or napalm bombed children have when it comes to being protected from reality? At the very least we can make children in our society aware of the cost of our lifestyles to other children rather than censor it across the media and pretend that the children who were sodomised in Abu Ghraib do not exist


    Typically thats not how it is done. However, if a four year old is raped what would you tell her?
    We can leave the parental supervision to parents. Note however, that the picture of the Vietnamese being shot was published in the mainstream newspapers and pictures of the dead were shown on television and in general news circulation so clearly there are differences in what is appropriate. I also note that children in war zones walk through these scenes and are not given the choice of avoiding them.
    Again we can leave parenting to the parents. Note that in all cases YOU are talking about children as though they were unsupervised and free to choose while I am talking about people with the understanding that most people with children supervise them. I have seen children on supervised visits to the Holocaust museums. Children as young as 10 are considered by law as capable of giving consent to sex. So again, there are differences in opinion as to what is appropriate for children.
    Then you must not pay any taxes that supported the war efforts in Iraq
    No you believe in pixelating nipples because it is naive to believe that nudity does not have a sexual impact


    Yeah, don't I ever!

    I think you are confusing freedom with awareness. There is a way to remain unaware - by not participating in society, by avoiding all newspapers and television, all media that gives access to information. No one is forced to read this thread or a newspaper or watch television. However, apathy is not a virtue
     
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  7. Gustav

    Gustav Banned Banned

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    its kinda like how the average carnivore is squeamish about watching their dinner actually being butchered. in fact if abattoir tours are made mandatory, i bet the vegan population would increase in leaps and bounds
     
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  8. S.A.M.

    S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    More on nudity, breasts and pornography:

    Is this obscene?


    Australia bans small breasts:

    So how does censoring small breasts contribute to the sexual culture of Australians? What changes have they created? Are more women going in for breast augmentation, for example?

    Apple's no-nipples policy means fashion mags are censoring their iPad editions :

    So is the female breast so obscene? Does the Apple policy apply to male nipples?
     
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  9. Bells

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    As much as Fraggle, GeoffP and others attack and demonise Muslims, Islam and Muslim countries perhaps? I mean we have Fraggle in another thread speculating on how many Muslim men rape women when they come to the West, because apparently, that's sort of what they do if his tone is to be believed.

    I adore it when you are patronising and insulting.

    The point was simple. The images from Abu Graib were plastered everywhere in the media, and the torture uncensored. Yet a girl's very artistic protest against her tight fisted regime which censores art and denies women equal rights is censored because it involved an artistic nude image. If you are unable to still grasp the hypocrisy of censorship and what the Western media deems to be offensive, then really, what is the point of this discussion?

    Oh James deems it to be "garbage" and thus it is so!

    I beg to differ. I have the right to my opinion. Last I checked, you were not the thought police. Yes, you removed the images in accordance to the rules and because Arthur was offended by nipples. But that you don't censor or infract others who have gone on and made very racist, abusive and insulting remarks in this thread shows where the priorities lie. Point taken.

    You really fail to see the irony, don't you?

    Tut tut. So defensive James. Go back and read what I wrote again and tell me how you think it offends you?

    You said that you agreed with Fraggle that the images used in this thread were garbage. If you don't want your words to be taken literally, then write more clearly. I stated that the images were symbolic of the war and not garbage.

    How about next time, you read the entire thread instead of choice posts posted to you via reports before you make such a comment?

    Which you still don't quite get the point. But that's alright.

    We've been here and done that before.

    So you want me to start a separate thread about media censorship instead of discussing it in this thread which deals specifically with media censorship?

    Yes. The titty and blood reaction. Life will never be the same again.

    I beg to differ. Had you read the entire thread, it would have been obvious why those images were used as a comparison with what is censored in the media and what is not.

    Having a slow day?

    Oh no. You express yourself fine. I just don't agree with you.

    *Sigh*

    It's like trying to explain something to Arthur.

    How do you think her image has been censored in the Western media James? I'll give you a hint.. Look at where her boobs are meant to be and where her vagina is meant to be and tell me what you see....

    That is because emergency workers rarely allow cameras to get in their way to film or take images.

    Yes they are. So why didn't the media censor it but decided to censor this girl's photo?

    Get it?

    Again, look at the artistic photo published in the West and tell me what you see where her boobs and vagina would normally be.

    So images and films of a soldier throwing a dog off a cliff, the film footage of the sexual assault on the mentally disabled girl by a bunch of school boys, the hacking away at people in the Rwandan genocide and in East Timor, to name a few.. None of that was censored.

    Various issues such as a regime that does not treat women equally and who censors artistic expression and the human form?

    When you look at the image, it becomes quite clear.

    Do you equate human nudity with pornography? I would imagine not, since you are an intelligent individual. But if we were to cater to the idiots in society, then all art would be censored and the statue of David would have his genitals hacked off, because someone, somewhere will find it pornographic.
     
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  10. S.A.M.

    S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    What average carnivore? Most of us go to the abattoir to get our meats. When I get my fish or shellfish, its still moving. And no, it has no effect on our dietary choices. The squeamishness I think increases in direct proportion to the distance from the food source
     
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  11. Gustav

    Gustav Banned Banned

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    i was talking to james in a language that he might understand
    similarly, one can show photos of blood and guts to dissuade people from warring
     
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  12. chimpkin

    chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Average Canadian or American omnivore.

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    Most of us have never seen the inside of a slaughterhouse or gone to a fishmarket.
    It's all wrapped in plastic and white styrofoam packages with this sort of tampon thingy in the styrofoam tray to catch the pooling blood as it sits in the cooler.
    It's so clean and tidy, it's as if the cuts of flesh were birthed immaculately, from some sort of Virgin Mary chicken or cow...
    I was surprised by the blood soaker-upper a couple of years ago, I have a dog with skin problems.
    I tried feeding a diet of raw chicken and oatmeal. Which made him happy but no less itchy.

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    SAM, we really do sanitize death over here.
     
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  13. scifes

    scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    :roflmao:
     
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  14. Gustav

    Gustav Banned Banned

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    i'd freak out if i had to touch raw chicken
    i can handle beef tho
     
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  15. chimpkin

    chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Hmm, I skimmed that...who knew I was hiding twin anarchies under my shirt...

    If whole fryers were the cheapest thing...I got the fun of dismembering the carcass into serving sizes. Messy.
     
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  16. Gustav

    Gustav Banned Banned

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    we censor.. standard erogenous zones?
     
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  17. wynn

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    I doubt it.

    People tend to practice disconnection - such as not acknowledging there is a connection between eating junk food and obesity, or that an animal needs to be killed before it can be eaten, etc..

    Same goes for pictures, or even first-hand experiences of violence.

    People's desires for how things should be tend to override the perception of how things actually are.
     
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  18. GeoffP

    GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Careful there, chief. You don't really need me to make you look foolish again, do you? So mind your manners. Unless..what? You really think Islam is all about its worst elements? And that that has to be protected?

    How stupid.
     
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  19. Captain Kremmen

    Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I'm glad we settled that question.
     
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  20. adoucette

    adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    SAM, anyone can find a book to support any warped view they want.

    The Soviets weren't lured into Afghanistan by the US nor did we induce them to kill MILLIONS of Afghanis.

    Your hatred makes you blind SAM.

    And I'm not posting info from CNN am I SAM?

    http://www.afghan-web.com/woman/

    Open your eyes SAM, the poor condition of women in Afghan was the direct result of being ruled by Islamic Fundamentalists.

    Arthur
     
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  21. adoucette

    adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    So?
    It's not like we don't know they exist and what they do (and I think most of us know reasonably well how they do it)

    No Chimkin, we aren't that stupid. We simply have perfected streamlined ways to raise, butcher and package food for 310 million people in a manner which limits contamination. Only fools don't realize that the chicken or cow their meat comes from didn't have to be killed and butchered in order to make it to our shelves.

    I've never actually seen wheat turned into bread either, but that doesn't mean I don't know how it's grown, harvested, milled and baked.
     
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  22. Tiassa

    Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    (guffaw!)

    You're hilarious, Arthur.

    And I actually mean that sincerely. To the other, no, I don't think you intend to make folks laugh by embarrassing yourself, but ... well, thanks for making the point.
     
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  23. chimpkin

    chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    But how about a Zbigniew:

    http://pieceofmind.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/brzezinski-u-s-lured-soviets-into-afghanistan/
     
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