Dumb Question About Trees Falling in a Fores

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by lixluke, Sep 29, 2006.

  1. cole grey Hi Valued Senior Member

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    I guess I am just hoping for agreement to delimit from within as to what things are not - that seems to be easier than trying to figure out what things are, since "unknown" is a variable that I cannot fit into my head. "Unknown" is more like a constant which goes into every side of the equation, and therefore I just cancel it out and try to move forward, as best I can.
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Ultimately, as invert said, its all a matter of personal choice.
     
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  5. cole grey Hi Valued Senior Member

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    Our descriptive system is, yes.
    It all, no.
    THE UNIVERSE, I don't think personal choice affects it much.
    Even murder just becomes a statistic for people to mentally abuse.
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Er, I should have clarified - I meant the definitions of objective realities in a scientific context.

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  8. Theoryofrelativity Banned Banned

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    This is a fantastic quote, I shall put it into oepration immediately!
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I already made the best possible use of it!

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  10. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    No it doesnt.
     
  11. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    What a total and utter monkey's arse of a thread this was. I still have nightmares.
     
  12. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    (I may have abandoned some of these 'early' thoughts, but some applies to the tree falling in the forest with no one around…)

    When a tree falls in the forest and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound? No, for there is no ear to turn the sound waves into sound. Nor is there a smell, for there is no nose for the odorous molecules to attach to, nor has it any color, for there is no retina to decode the light frequencies. What does it look like, then? It doesn’t look like anything, for there is no brain to put it all together by detecting form, color, texture, size, taste, smell, or vision.

    Since the entropy of a black hole is known to depend on the surface area of the event horizon and not on its volume, then our third dimension might be a projection. A projected illusion, as in a hologram, may still be used as it were really there since we can make sense of it, so to speak, but, in truth, the third dimension may not exist.

    Thus, apparently separate particles, like created photon pairs, copy the other when one is changed, because, in truth, they are still the same thing in the projector room. If the universe is holographic, then the tree in the forest, whether seen or not, is, at heart, an interference pattern brought to life only when we tune it in.

    This is the mystery of the realness of sleeping dreams revealed: we tune in to the interference patterns, whether awake or asleep, to bring alive the reality projected. Everything connects to everything else through overlapping interference patterns, and so nothing is so separate at all, as it seems, but is one large all-encompassing whole.

    Memory, too, seems to be holographic, residing everywhere in the brain, every piece associated with others related, instantly broadcasting all the connections. Every part of a hologram contains the whole, the whole universe contained within a grain of sand, all eternity within a moment, the universe rumbling when an electron vibrates.

    We are part and parcel of everything—we are the cosmos; we are life; we are love; we are all that is; we are the creator of the dance as well as the dancer. Whether the past is recorded and accessible as part of the holographic whole is not known or whether the other two dimensions are projected, as well, but perhaps we shall see.

    This, then, goes toward the secret of the universe, knowing of that which underlies all reality: fundamental, absolute, indestructible, omnipresent, indeterminate, but all pervasive. Why absolute and fundamental? Because it is made of one piece—itself, and therefore indestructible, and eternal, too, and makes up all that there is, everywhere.
     
  13. peterk301 Registered Member

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    I hope nobody thinks that buried in the question-- if a tree falls in a forest and nobody hears it does it still make a sound-- is something to do with a subjective physical reality.
     

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