Dr Watson's views on race seem very sensible.

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  1. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    That's just what your Indian boyfriends tell you.
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Heh, the correlation is real. Its how white people feel good about themselves: guess who has the biggest penis sizes.

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  5. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    Now wait a minute, are you switching size on the whole race/IQ argument?
     
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    Correlation is not causation.

    But hey, if you want to pick between brains and a dick you're screwed on both sides.

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    rhetorical tool
    tongue in cheek
    whatnot

    nevertheless
    i am deeply offended
     
  9. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    The only thing more underwhelming than your grasp of statistics is the maturity of your rhetoric.
     
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  11. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Sudoku:

    If you don't believe statistics, don't cite them. You can't have it both ways.

    That's because all the half black/half white people you know who look white you label as white, knowing no better.

    The concept of different degrees of blackness or whiteness is an immensely silly one anyway. Really, there are only different shades of brown, lying on a continuum.

    So, where does that leave us? How do you get from "The average black IQ is 15 points lower than the average white IQ" to "Black people are not as smart as white people"?

    What you now need to do is to investigate the cause of the different IQ results - something you have so far shown no willingness to do.

    The APA, however, have bothered to put in the effort that you have not, and they concluded:

    In other words, no evidence to support the idea that having dark skin makes you stupid, in and of itself. Or, to put in another way, there is nothing to say that purely biological factors determine any human being's IQ.

    Time to go away and look at those factors "social status and cultural differences", perhaps?

    There's no evidence that whites are smarter than blacks. So far, the only evidence you have is that whites perform better on IQ tests.
     
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    My grasp of statistics?

    can you tell me which of these error bars overlap? I'm curious to know why you think they don't


    Also, the tightness of the distribution shows the differences in group size and unmatched pairs (comparing 13 black men to 100-13 non black men for instance, in most of these race/IQ equations minorities routinely form 10% of the sample size.)

    http://www.graphpad.com/articles/errorbars.htm

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    Why would people think that People's of Different Colors, with different face and Body shapes, and different physical abilities, have the Same IQ's?
    It flies in the face of Evolution.

    Wiki Race/IQ graph:
    See: (cant post .png form below but click on it)

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/IQ-4races-rotate-highres.png



    Richard Lynn, "Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis" 2006 Table 16.2 (indigenous populations)

    Estimated average IQ

    Arctic Peoples ----------------------------- 91
    East Asians ------------------------------- 105
    Europeans -------------------------------- 100
    Native Americans (north & south) ----- 86
    Southern Asian & Northern Africans -- 84
    Bushmen (southern Africa) ------------ 54
    Africans (subsaharan) ------------------ 67
    Native Australians (aboriginals) ------- 62
    Southeast Asians ------------------------- 87
    Pacific Islanders -------------------------- 85

    http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(test_data)


    http://www.nutri.com/wn/gp.html

    WHERE'S AMERICA'S GENE POOL HEADING
    by Oscar Falconi
    I.Q.
    Jew (European, American). ..... . . . . . . . 115
    Asian (in the U.S.) . . . . . . ............ . .. . . 108
    East Indian (from India, in the U.S.) . ... 108
    U.S. White (Northern European, Urban) 105
    U.S. White (Southern European). ... . . . 100
    U.S. White (Rural, South) . . . . ....... . . . 95
    U.S. Black (North and West). . . .. ....... . . 90
    Hispanic-American . . . . . . ......... . . . .. . 90
    U.S. Black (Rural, South) . . ......... . . . . . 85
    Hispanic, Illegal Immigrant . . ........ . . . . 80
    American Indian . .... . . . . ........ . . . . .. . 80
    Laplander . . . ........ . . . .. . ...... . . . . . . . 75
    Australian Aborigine (full-blooded) ..... .. 70
    Equatorial Guinea . . . . . . .. . ......... . . .. 59

    And these difference are found both intra-and inter- continentinally and with the same Socioeconomic strata. IQ testers fully aware of these factors.
     
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    Anyone who says whites are smarter than blacks is a racist.

    Anyone who is a racist is wrong about everything.

    Therefore, whites are not smarter than blacks.
     
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    Anyone know why there is an inverse relation between birth rate and IQ?

    By the way, abuya, can you tell me about the data used in that chart? What is the data used?
     
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    If you look up Rushton's work you'll read about k and r type strategies.
     
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    Another interesting angle is that many Negroes in America have some White ancestry; without it, they would probably have done even more poorly on these tests.
     
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    S.A.M:
    Funny stuff. Given that blacks (on average) tend to have a large penis, then they must (by your logic) have a lower IQ than their white and Asian counterparts.

    Man, it's like shooting slow, stupid fish in a barrel.
     
  23. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    sudoku:

    It's not really about the statistics for you, is it? You only use them if they agree with your prejudices. But you'll hate regardless of whether there is any basis on which to hate, won't you?

    Are they "50% white"? If not, what percentage white are they, would you say?

    i.e. "I, Sudoku, will class people into two falsely dichotomous groups if I want to, even when there is no basis on which to do so other that my own preferences."

    That's news to me. Are there other tests for smartness apart from IQ, then? Who did these test? References, please?

    They don't need elevating, except perhaps in terms of economic elevation to bring them up to the level that white people got to by using them as slaves.

    You know, you can always go and live in a cave somewhere. Or move to Siberia. There aren't many black people there, I hear.

    It's as easy to dismiss you as it is for you to dismiss them. Easier, in fact.

    Are you now claiming that black people are more violent, too?

    I suppose you have as much evidence for that as you do for them being dumber - i.e. none at all.

    What about them?

    Please post references to back up your claim.
     
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