# Doppler Effect Of Gravitational Field

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1. ### river

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Now physically what is going on . With objects .

What are the objects doing , physically .

3. ### TonyYuanRegistered Senior Member

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I derived this equation F=GMm/R^2 * [(c-v) / c] from the basic laws of mathematics and physics. From the formula, it reflects the Doppler effect of a gravitational field. And I verified the calculation of Mercury's precession deviation, and my calculated result is 43.05".

This result 43.05" is almost identical to the 43" obtained by GR calculation.

In other words, the physical problem revealed by the GR physical model is the Doppler effect of the gravitational field. They may be equivalent.

5. ### river

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So this gravitational field , is a real physical thing .

7. ### TonyYuanRegistered Senior Member

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Yes. If it is not true, then you cannot perceive.

Einstein used time-space distortion to describe gravity. Also recognized that space is a substance.
Newton used the gravitational field to describe gravitation, and also recognized that the gravitational field is a substance.

They are all different physical models that describe gravity.

8. ### river

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Disagree

Space is not a substance .

There is substance within space .

9. ### TonyYuanRegistered Senior Member

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Doppler effect of gravitational field, this theory can explain many physical phenomena and physical experiments.
For example: Morley experiment, light bending, Mercury precession, gravity redshift, etc, and it's very easy.

10. ### river

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How so ?

So far we have a gravitational field , made of what ?

Doppler effect from this gravitational field , give me a picture of what this looks like .

11. ### TonyYuanRegistered Senior Member

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What constitutes a gravitational field?
What constitutes a magnetic field?
What constitutes an electric field?
What constitutes time and space?
There are so many reasons why we need to explore.

What we are discussing now is just what the laws show under the action of these fields. Newton gave us a model, it has some defects, we have corrected it.

The Doppler effect of the gravitational field unifies Newton's gravitation and general relativity. It makes our exploration of the universe simple.

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12. ### river

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You said this before post#107 . You didn't answer my question . And In my post#107 , Doppler effect from this gravitational field , give me a picture of what this looks like .

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14. ### river

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Tony you have mathematically shown your thinking .

Now the challenge is to prove it physically .

15. ### TonyYuanRegistered Senior Member

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I have given detailed mathematical and physical derivations in the paper.
The calculation of Mercury's precession has also been verified, and the results obtained are completely consistent with GR.

By the way, GR does not show correctness in the calculation of the precession of Venus, Earth, Mars and other planets. You can find the data in the link below.
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/336k/Newtonhtml/node115.html

16. ### river

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Thats not what I'm getting at Tony . The mathematics must represent a physical object(s) .

What is physically In This Space that makes you more correct ?

What is the energy and matter environment that Mercury is in , ?

17. ### TonyYuanRegistered Senior Member

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Sorry, I do not quite understand you.

Newton's law of gravity is great. I just made some corrections based on him. It can calculate the celestial orbit as accurately as GR.

18. ### river

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Where ? Just say .

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19. ### TonyYuanRegistered Senior Member

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What is physically In This Space that makes you more correct ?
Ans:Newton's law of gravity is great. I just made some corrections based on him. It can calculate the celestial orbit as accurately as GR.

What is the energy and matter environment that Mercury is in , ?
Ans:I don’t know. I think there might be something we don’t know besides the gravitational field.

The mathematics must represent a physical object(s) .
Ans: I don’t know what is your mean.
F =G * M * m / R^2 * (c-v) / c, it is just doppler effect.

You can also write like this:
F =G' * M * m / R^2. G' = G * (c-v) / c

G is the value when the velocity of the gravitational field relative to the object is equal to c.
G’ is the value when the velocity of the gravitational field relative to the object is equal to c-v.

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20. ### river

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Fine to your first statement , but it doesn't tell me what physically must go on , to make the calculation accurate .

Inotherwords , it is the physical that is the essence of any calculation .

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Physical objects are real . They exist . Our bodies are from them .

If the mathematics is only real in the realm of mathematics , then this mathematics is a fantasy .

22. ### TonyYuanRegistered Senior Member

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Calculating the precession of Mercury by the classic universal gravitation F=GMm/R^2 will have a deviation of 43" per century.
And by the modified gravitation formula F=GMm/R^2*(c-v)/c, the results obtained can eliminate the 43" deviation.

23. ### TonyYuanRegistered Senior Member

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Newton's universal gravitation equation F=GMm/R^2, I think it has always been true. Although it is a mathematical formula, humans have been using it for hundreds of years.