Don almost got it right.

Discussion in 'Business & Economics' started by Xmo1, Nov 6, 2017.

  1. Xmo1 Registered Senior Member

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    He should ask Japan and Germany to leave. That is pull their (second tier) investors. Why?
    We have the technology to make great automobiles. We can make great cars.
    I have a 2004 Chevrolet Cavalier from Ohio with 102K miles. It just needed a slave cylinder, and the clutch was still had a quarter of its usefulness. I've been told that the engines like ford f150 can go for hundreds of thousands of miles.
    We have the science to power them efficiently.
    We can get 85 percent efficiency or better for fuel, and even better for friction and aerodynamics.

    What happened:
    1, The 1 percent (tier 1 businesses) were greedy to the point of (to achieve a capitalist goal of) wealth taking from the commoners (tier four economics). The top auto businesses figured a way to sell millions of auto's, and yet claim a loss year over year.
    They enslaved their employees.
    2. We won't talk about steel plating sales to the military, the aristocracy, and profit taking at the end of VN war.
    3. Budget cuts from capitol hill caused many government agencies to sacrifice engineering precision for the cheapest bidder.

    Never-the-less, we can make cars, and we can share the wealth. First, we can make them for us. They will be so good everyone in the world will want them. And as a whole, we will be happier.

    For North Korea, we should tell them we are not going to harm them, but we are going to enter into economic cooperation with them, and that China is going to have full economic trade power with them. They will be told that Japan will be the primary trade partner with South Korea, and that China will maintain an seabound anti-priracy force in the Sea of Japan. We should sell NK our automobiles. Somewhere down the line NK and SK will trade, and the neural pathways will be created to repair the injured nerve.

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  3. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    There is no guarantee a multinational corporation like Ford will keep its profits in the US, so what's the problem with Toyota making cars here?
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    So can they. And if they give jobs to Americans, I am all for that.
     
  8. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Does point of origin matter more than quality?
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    BTW no, we can't get 85% efficiency from fuel. The theoretical maximum efficiency for an Otto cycle engine is about 46%. Some cars (like the Prius) come close to this, with engines that have efficiencies of about 40%. (Note that they do this by not using a true Otto cycle; they use a modified Atkinson cycle.) The only way to get to 85% is to use an electric vehicle. When trickle charged (i.e. via a 12-amp "convenience" charger) and driven conservatively, a small EV like a Leaf can hit 85% efficiency, plug to wheels.

    Also it's pointless to talk about "efficiencies" of friction. Friction does not have an efficiency; it is loss.
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    It's about as difficult to define. I have yet to see a car labeled and referred to as of Canadian "origin" at all, for example, let alone from a "point of origin" within Canada - Wiki tells me Canada is the fourth largest exporter of manufactured cars in the world, in a de facto tie with the US. http://www.worldstopexports.com/car-exports-country/

    Guess: it's a three dimensional decision manifold, with price; and not linear - a double or triple humped surface.

    Low quality is probably what killed the US carmakers, so at the extreme quality dominates (those late 70s early 80s US cars were pretty bad). But it took a long time - I recall reading an interview with an upper level Ford exec about the decline of Ford market share, who when asked about fit and finish problems (specifically the fit of the doors when closed, which was noticeably worse in midprice Fords than in their surging Japanese competition) replied - close paraphrase - that 'Ford customers did not care about that, or even notice, according to Ford customer surveys'.

    At which point I failed to short Ford stock with every penny I had. But aside from the regrets, the observation: it's a rock/paper/scissors thing.
     
  11. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, if Toyota can make great cars both here and in Japan, we should be able to do the same thing. The fact that we don't do that is our problem and not theirs.

    I'm happier having a better car and more money left over in my pocket than some sentiment of saving American worker's jobs. That's not how our economy works anyway.
     
  12. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    We can't produce steel as cheaply as China.
     
  13. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    We should be able to produce it as cheaply as Japan however.
     
  14. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I guess I don't know enough about it.
     
  15. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    We actually export a lot of autos to china and elsewhere.
     

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