Does time exist?

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Asexperia, Sep 28, 2015.

  1. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    THE PRINCIPLE OF CERTAINTY ARISES FROM THE AXIOMS OF PHILOCHRONY

    1- Time is the continuous succession of irreversible moments. --->

    2- Duration is the time interval and comprises a beginning and an end.
    -- b ------- e --->

    3- The time of uniform and periodic rhythm (mathematical) is taken as a reference to measure the duration of events.

    4- Chromnesia is the certainty that there are past events and there will be future events.

    5- Time is magnitive, that is, objective, measurable and imperceptible.

    The statement: Past does not exist and future is uncertain, it is true, but at the same time it denies the events of the past and makes people not plan for the future.

    By means of chromnesia or philochron certainty, we think, for example, that today is Saturday and tomorrow will be Sunday, the Sun will rise at a certain time and it will be set at another time.
     
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  3. nebel

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    I tend to disagree, A river flows, time does not. we flow, --through time. There was a time when we (our universe) had not started to flow yet, ~ >14 billion years ago, yet there must have been time for the energy for that to exist.
    The term for that was coined: energytime, existing in timespace, both infinite, as discussed in more detail in the On the Frings, Alternative Theories section, "ALMA" thread.
     
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  5. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    To affirm that time or we flow like a river is a metaphor. Time passes generating the continuous succession of irreversible moments that goes from the past to the future. We passed with time.
     
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  7. nebel

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    [QUOTE="Asexperia, post: 3574128, member: 286196"]Time passes[/QUOTE]
    As explained in he Alma thread, time does not pass, that is a past idea. Time is infinite, just like energy that is uncreated, can not be destroyed. Energy needs time to exist in.
    Time is the first dimension, and it is the universe that is moving through it, into the future. not the other way around.
    Some labor under the illusion that we watch time flowing by, but time, from the infinite past into the infinite future is actually stationary. Different bodies move at different rates through time, depending on their velocity and gravitational status. so:
    please Take time to look at energytime and timespace in ALMA.
     
  8. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    Is time a space dimension ?
    Is time static ?

    I am going to check your thread about ALMA.
     
  9. river

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    Time is not an idea . Purely .

    Time is based on real movement(s) of things .


    Alone ?

    How does time become physical ?
     
  10. nebel

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    In case they are moving through time. But time exists whether you move through it or not, as explained in the ALMA thread
    For example you might be a photon at "c" with no movement through time, or near a black holr. seen as almost stuck in time, perceived as taking a near eternity to fall in.

    Physics is a feature of our universe, since the BB, when whatever energy converted into physical matter to inhabit spacetime, or better mattertime. But
    Before that point in time, the BB, there was timespace, energytime. whether there was movement or not, who knows. virtual fluctuations?
    We know that energy can not be destroyed or created, so: it is infinitely old, existing, by necessity in the infinitely extending, and old (past), and young (future) time dimension.
    transfer these questions to the ALMA thread please so I can explain from previous posts and diagrams. thank you,
     
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  11. river

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    Time is a consequence , of the measure , order , of the movement , of physical things .
     
  12. nebel

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    River, you seem to keep repeating this like a mantra. Of course, from our perspective a concept like that would work for calculation purposes. A speedometer can be thought of to measure the speed of the car, or the velocity at which the road whizzes by. a clock being a speedometer for the rate of travel through time.
    The fact is, there had to be time before we were. before we started to move through time 13.8 billion years ago. always looking back, only seeing the past
    Time is not created by movement, but is one of the dimension through which movement takes place. So, yes, time is as real just as the other, spatial dimensions. No. #1 in the ALMA depiction.
     
  13. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    Time marks the rhythm of movement.
    The dimensions of space are static, and bodies move in them. Time passes with the occurrence of changes or movement.
     
  14. nebel

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    Repeating the same statements is not presenting arguments, refutations or proofs.
    The space dimensions are not static, they are expanding, have been on the move through time since the BB, and for all we know, even move with respect to other universes (if any)
    In the ALMA thread, 2 versions, or models of space dimension expansion are shown, The sausage universe by write4u , post #3 and the expanding sphere. by nebel post # 800;
    In any case, nothing static about it, especially in General Relativity.
     
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  15. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    The universe moves and expands in space. The space is infinite. The theory of relativity interprets the universe (stars, planets, satellites) as space.

    Space is the continuous area or expanse which is free, available or unoccupied.
     
  16. nebel

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    Now here we agree, and you should have posted that on the AlMA thread. Since nothing, not even space, can exist without time (whether it moves or not), time, stationary time , must also be infinite.-- Since the BB, time, being the omnipresent 1st dimension, has made possible for matter to exist , that is why in the ALMA thread, The present time is called mattertime.
    Your infinite space, in the ALMA thread is identified as timespace, because it was, before the BB, space devoid of matter, and different, not having the limiting 3 dimensions that matter now hangs in.

    Such an entity, construct, concept whatever you would call it, can not, at anytime exist, without having time to exist in; Therefore, time must be fundamental.
    That is why in the ALMA thread, the universe is modeled to move into the future, time #1, the prerequisite for your continuous expanse , that must however have contained the uncreated energy, some of which was used up in the BB conversion to matter.
    That is why, in the ALMA thread, the pre-BB era is identified as energytime. to sum up:
    There is no area without an era. An era is a fixed span in time, since time is fixed, not moving. it is the primordial infinite 1st dimension #No.1. in post #800
     
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    THE CONTINUOUS TIME AND THE DISCRETE TIME

    Time is the continuous or discrete succession of irreversible moments that goes from the past to the future. The continuous time is the natural time and the discrete time is the artificial time. Discrete time is found in film tapes. Each image is a moment that has been frozen. We can count these images, that's why artificial time is discrete. In continuous time we can not count images, but we must use a unit of measurement. There are infinite moments in a continuous time interval.

    In a cinematographic projection, the movement that we see is an illusion, but the natural movement is continuous, it is not an illusion.

    ------------- > continuous time
    ....................> discrete time
     
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  18. nebel

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    Yes! In the ALMA thread, in alternative theories, I deal with this from a different perspective, but of course what we observe is factual.
    Time as an infinitely old 1st dimension, without internal directions, but having to be associated with uncreated energy, is traversed by the universe with tremendous inertia. moving as you said from the past #2 into the future #1 (the same time.) That movement can not be stopped, even into increments like the Plank length. We, as creatures see the present, the non - existingly short moment of "now"only because of the lag in our nervous system. Some
    beings, insects for example, cut their perception of flow through time into shorter increments. And yes, in the ALMA theory of the expanding universe moving through time, the process is irreversible. The past #2 is empty, only photons still moving in our direction.

    The universe#3 has been traveling through time since the BB #4,
    The illusion is, that we can think that we are stationary, and that it is time that is moving, like a river.
    The good thing is that we agree on many aspects, as we should, observing reality.
    The difference is, as in alternative theories, ALMA, the universe expanding through time deals with the cosmic question, and you here with strictly local expressions of time. but
    We have no contradictions here.
    #1, #2, #3 ,#4 taken from the post#680 #681 page # 34-35 of the ALM thread.
     
  19. nebel

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    In the ALMA thread we are dealing with that natural time, and that time has existed longer than "Nature" which came about since the Big Beginning only 13.8 billion years ago.
     
  20. river

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    How does 1 dimensional , time have Inertia ?

    Explain
     
  21. nebel

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    River, no I meant The universe has such an inertia. Since according to posters here, time is a measure of movement of entities, any average movement of the All has to be even. It can not be incremental like the 80 year old 8 mm films I have of myself. It is easier to conceive of masses of matter moving through time steadily, perhaps at different rates.
     
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  22. river

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    How does the " Universe has such an inertia " based both on 1 dimension , time ?

    Time is the measure of three dimensional objects .
     
  23. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    If time does not flow, what is the flow of us?
    What do clocks measure?
     

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