Does time exist?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Asexperia, Sep 28, 2015.

  1. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Part of the problems with your posts (just part of the problems) is that you do not use normal definitions of words. You make up your own defintions with out telling anyone what these new definitions are.

    Space is not an element
    Extension is not a property
    Length, area and volume are not magnitudes.

    If you make up your own definitons to common words how in the hell is anyone suppose to know what you are talking about?
     
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  3. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    1- The elements are the basic components of the universe.

    2- Magnitudes are measurements.

    3- Extension is a property of space and objects.

    4- Length, area and volume are magnitudes of extension.
     
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  5. Edont Knoff Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, but it seems logical. Passing time usually is remembered by a sequence of events. We can't even measure a duration without using any events. We also do not know if time is steady or if it takes "breaks" - because in the case of a "break", there are no events, and without events we can't measure or record any duration or progress of time.

    That's why I used the word "history". History is a sequence of events. The arrow of time is a result of the cause-effect logic that we use, and the perceived impossibility to undo history; there is only forward, no backward.

    Without events, there is no history being written, and time might as well be seen to be "frozen", until something happens again.

    But this is a very theoretical though. Our environment is full of events, and thus for our perception, time is flowing quite steadily.
     
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  7. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    What are the basic components of the universe?
    Then call them measurements!
    Then call them properties!
    No those are also properties.
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And of course all individual time-lines are embedded in the DeBroglie-Bohml Pilot-Wave, the history (time-line) of the evolution of the Universe itself.

    But Time itself is not a measurable phenomena itself because it has no duration in and of itself, it is a by-product, an additive result of duration of chronological change., IMO.
     
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  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    IMO, before there was change there was no time at all, there was only a timeless condition without beginning or end. We do not move through time other that the Time created by the universal Pilot Wave, which is our fundamental time frame.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    If there was an observable duration of stillness between durations of change, that duration of *stillness* would stil be countable as a duration of no change.

    The universe would have to disappear altogether for time to come to a halt. As long as something has a physical existence it has an associated timeframe.
     
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  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And are timeless in and of themselves because they do not change and are concepts related only to function, not change itself.
    And can be observed to have a duration of objective existence.
     
  12. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    None of the Posts in this thread are close to Einstein's basic thoughts relating to time.
    It is interesting that Albert used bold or italics for before & after, implying that they were undefined terms, not definable via the use of simpler terms or concepts.

    Note that an axiomatic system requires some undefined primitive terms to avoid various logical problems associated with circular definitions.
     
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    There is no observable duration nor change since the Universe is stilled.

    And who would observe this if even possible; which it is not? Curious.
     
  14. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    what element of time are you referring too?

    first--whenever has there been a moment when anything CANNOT be measured?
    what about the universes existence? what about biological time? what about consciousness time? what about physical existence time?
    what about...etc.--odd.
    how could there be a moment of " timeless " if and only if you say this: " I have a problem with the assumption that Time exists at all ?"
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The standard definition.
    You just answered your own question. Time exist only in relation to the existence of something else. Time itself cannot be measured.
    Sorry, I could have clarified this better; it should read; " I have a problem with the assumption that Time exists as an independent plenum. IOW, BEFORE the universe came into existence there was no time, only a timeless permittive condition. As far as we know time began with the creation of the universe.
    Did time exist before the the BEGINNING? Was there need for time before the beginning?
     
  16. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    actually no--you simply cannot grasp my comment which is why you just typed this nonsense that simply contradicts yourself.

    you still cannot grasp this little line and the meaning--" what element of time are you referring to? " why do i say element and not definition--or why am i even saying " many elements of time " in general?
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Every example you gave showed time to be a result of some action *within* the universe. I already referred to the DeBroglie- Bohm *Pilot Wave*, which creates a universal time time frame in the process. Today universal time is about 13.7 billion years by our standards. Any increment of time is used by humans for convenience. Time to plant crops, time to harvest, world record time of covering a distance..
    You have to say "many elements of time" because it is not a constant. A ruler is divided in increments, some in inches, some in centimeters, completely dependent on the human purpose. Does the universe use a ruler or just maths which humans can symbolize with numbers and equations?

    Time comes into existence with the chronological occurrence of events. In the abstract, Time has no meaning, other than as an associated duration of events or distance between geometric points. Can time be measured without reference to an action or points in (universal) space?

    What time is it now? *Day time* or *night time* and where and why? Time is part of GR and dependent on the point of the observer. That's why we have so many increments of time, it's a relative phenomenon, the same as a geometric measurement.
     
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  18. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    (shakes head)--carry on with your pathetic notion of that you understand this stuff, while endlessly contradicting yourself.
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Does that mean you have no counter argument? Point out the *endless* contradictions.
    Ad hominem is not an argument.
     
  20. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    no, it simply means that i have no will for your want-to-be intellect nonsense.
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No one is forcing you to participate in this part of the forum. But so far you have not shown any more knowledge than I.
    btw. I am still waiting for examples of my endless contradictions, allowing me to reply, but you won't let that happen will you? You know what they say about ad hominem arguments. Why do you use them?
    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/time/#McTArg

    I guess he is also a wanna-be intellectual.

     
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  22. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    As long there is day and night time exist
     
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    (shrugs)--whatever you need to tell yourself.
     

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