Does time exist?

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  1. NotEinstein Registered Senior Member

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    Note that using post #952, we can translate the statement "We can define time in several ways, but its nature is only one: magnitive." into plain English.

    "We can define time in several ways, but its nature is only one: imperceptible and with a greatness of size or amount (existing independently of perception or an individual's conceptions), but measurable."

    In other words, it's a scalar or field or something similar. Which is of cause true, but says nothing. Heck, mass, electric charge, and length also meet that requirement! Just about every parameter in any physical model meets those requirements.

    Conclusion: the statement is true, yet valueless.
     
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  3. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Definition is the concept, as we conceive time.
    Nature is the way to operate time.

    Example 1 : light

    Definition : is the phenomenon that illuminates objects making them visible.
    Nature: wave-particle duality

    Example 2: water

    Definition: is the liquid body that quenches our thirst and We use it in cleaning.
    Nature: H2O
     
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  5. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    I'm confused because I've not been on here for a while. Are Asexperia and Sibilia the same person?
     
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  7. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, They are.
    Like Sibilia I had problems with my password.
    I had to create a new account.
     
  8. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Please explain
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    how time is likened to a stackable board game?

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  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Do not make up your own meanings for terms such as 'definition' and 'nature'; they already have meanings.

    eg: "Definition: is the liquid body that quenches our thirst and We use it in cleaning."

    This is not a definition - as is obvious by the fact that it does not define water.

    Many things quench our thirst; many things are used for cleaning.

    By your "definition", Coca Cola and water are the same thing.

    To be clear: since what you are calling a definition does not define the thing uniquely and distinctly, it is not, therefore, a definition of the thing.
     
  10. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Utter unadulterated Cowpat

    The is no "inbuilt inherent" unit of TIME within nature

    What is commonly called TIME is a measurement of change and is more correctly called AGE the units of which have been arbitrarily chosen

    The PAST is non existent
    The FUTURE is non existent
    Only NOW exist

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  11. NotEinstein Registered Senior Member

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    I think I understand what you are saying. You are making an explicit split between the way things are ("nature"), and the way we see/describe them ("definition"). That is a good distinction to make! But as others have pointed out: those are not the proper words to use. Might I suggest:
    nature --> reality (as in, the real world out there), or perhaps: actuality
    definition --> model (as in, our model of the universe)
     
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  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Please, stop preaching. These are your opinions, not fact.
     
  13. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    You see that the definition is the concept, as we conceive things?

    Do you use Coca Cola in cleaning?

    Not all of us agree on the definition of something.
     
  14. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Good your suggestion.
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Coca cola can be used to clean, yes.
    Not actually relevant.

    A definition that doesn't define is not a definition.
     
  16. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Definitions of time:

    - is what clocks measure.
    Albert Einstein

    - is the duration of things subject to change.
    Wordreference

    - is the moment in which events occur.
    Asexperia

    Nature of time:

    mt --->

    mt is the measurement of time
    The arrow (>) is the becoming (present).
    Time is magnitive.
     
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  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well if the internet says they're 'definitions', that got to be good enough for science.

    Moment is defined with reference to time.
    To try to then define time in terms of moment is circular.

    "What is V'ger?"
    "V'ger is that which seeks the creator"
    "Who is the creator?"
    "The creator is that which created V'ger."
     
  18. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Moment is an instant, a period of short duration.
    Nothing circular. Entiendes?
     
  19. NotEinstein Registered Senior Member

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    Look up the definition of the word "duration"; it fundamentally involves the concept time. In other words: "time" is more fundamental (at the very least conceptually) than "moment".
     
  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    And "instant". And "period".
     
  21. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Duration is the permanence of things in reality.

    Your comments have helped me a lot to improve my ideas.

    Gracias.
     
  22. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Time, in any frame of reference, is inexorable or absolute in the sense that
    the sequence of moments is continuous and irreversible. Speed affects time,
    but nothing stops its advance.
     
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  23. NotEinstein Registered Senior Member

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    Note that using the word "absolute" in relation to time invites an interpretation of the usage as "absolute time", which has a very specific meaning in physics. I don't think you mean that. What do you mean by "inexorable" and "absolute" in that sentence?
     
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