Does Israeli Elite Believe They Are The Master Race?

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Do You Think That The Israeli Elite Believe They Are The Master Race?

  1. No - this is a complete fallacy

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  2. Yes - it pervades the attitude of their TV representatives

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  3. I don't know - what are you talking about?

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  1. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    The Forum specialists on NAZIS Gave her response. But you didnt thought of your trolling to the end, giving me a greater insight and an idea.

    So, what am I getting at?

    The parallels between Islam And Nazism are as follows:

    Leadership
    Nazism - Führer
    The supreme ruler of Germany and a military title given to Adolf Hitler. He was worshiped by all Germans, and they swore allegiance to him not Germany. Nobody questions his actions and orders.

    Islam - the prophet Muhammad
    The founder of Islam sent by god to bring the word of Islam to us all. He is still worshiped today and everyone that paints a caricature of him will face the rage of millions of Muslims. Dont mess with Muhammad!

    Militarism
    Nazism - "Nazi militarism was based upon the belief that great nations grow from military power, and maintain order in the world. The Nazi Party exploited irredentist and revanchist sentiments, and cultural aversions to aspects of Modernism, (despite the Reich embracing modernism by their admiration for engine power), thus conflating nationalism and militarism into the ultra-nationalism necessary to establishing Großdeutschland." wiki

    Islam - Muslims are known for they savagery and the spread of Islam and conversion of other religions by force. Militarism is a basic element in Islam, calling all Muslims to the sword even if they are not under a threat but in need to go to war for jihad against infidels.

    Anti Capitalist
    Nazism - opposed every aspect of capitalism and democracy labeling them as weak and pitiful form of government.

    Islam - oppose everything the west stands for, including freedom and basic human rights such as women rights, children rights, and especially non Muslims rights.

    Racism
    Nazism - the Aryan race is the superior race. Everyone else should serve it. Jews to the gas chambers(return to Auschwitz).

    Islam -all none Muslims are kufar(infidels) and they should be converted or killed, every land that is was under Islamic control is sacred. No respect for other religion, emphasizing the superiority of Islam over anything else that is not part of the Islamic world. Jews to the gas chambers(return to Auschwitz).
    Though Islam slightly differ here from Nazism, they accept dhimmis(Hurray for them).


    I wrote this from the top pf my hat. clearly if I had the time the list would be longer and more detailed.

    Its quite clear, Islam got more in common with Nazism then Judaism does or Zionism. Islam came before Nazism, so they were first. Nice patent. You should sue Germany for stealing your ideas.
     
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  3. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    Congratulations. You are anti semitic. :bravo:
     
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  5. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I disagree, Spock. I don't think that post indicates racism.
     
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  7. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    I know antisemitism when I see one.
     
  8. Bells Staff Member

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    That is because anyone who criticises your society or Government is an anti-semite. Which makes you a part of the problem in your society. Instead of actually confronting the issue, you label anyone who dares comment on it an anti-semite and hide your head in the sand.

    The policies in Israel, if applied in South Africa, would be tantamount to apartheid. That, in and of itself, is racist. And then, to top it off, amongst the various groups of Jews in Israel, exists racism and notions of superiority. So Israel not only discriminates against non-Jews and Arabs in Israel, but the society is also split based on the type of Jew you are and your actual race. If you want to know about whether there is racism amongst the Jewish society in Israel, ask an Ethiopian Jew. That is destructive and no society is able to survive with those kinds of policies in the long term. South Africa did not. Neither has countries like Zimbabwe.

    It isn't anti-semitic to point out the obvious. It is obvious because we have seen it so many times in history. I mean this...

    What the hell is this?

    You're telling me there isn't an issue in Israel? You are deluded if you think there isn't. There is an issue and a problem in Israel, just as there is an issue in Australia with its treatment of Aboriginals for example. The only difference is that we don't call people racist for pointing out the obvious in our society. You, on the other hand, prefer to rant 'anti-semite' at even a minor hint of criticism. You might think your society is utopia, but the reality shows that it is the furthest thing from it. And unless there is a radical policy change in Israel and education to support that change in policy, Israel will end up destroying itself. Just like other countries in the past have experienced and the repercussions of that self destruction is felt in their societies to this day, as they try to continue to pick up the pieces.
     
  9. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Jews have always kept themselves apart and distinct as a culture. This is exactly what is often misunderstood as racism or xenophobia.
     
  10. Bells Staff Member

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    Yes. But why the differentiations within the religion itself?

    There is keeping one's culture and then there's policies that specifically discriminate against all others.

    The policies within Israel itself are racist. And as the treatment of Ethiopian Jews has shown, or more to the point, the policy that applies to Ethiopian Jews and not to others, it is racist.

    And this is on top of the segregation and apartheid policies against Arabs.

    Calling it a misunderstanding is like the KKK saying it is a misunderstanding that they are racist as they don't mind sitting on the bus with a black person..
     
  11. Drakkula Registered Senior Member

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    I use to work for a hotel with a Jewish GM, the man was the biggest asshole I ever worked for. He was NEVER wrong even when the evidence was right infront of him, and he treated people like they were inferior to him. What a prick, I'm so glad he is finally dead.
     
  12. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    And that's somehow because Jews don't like black people?
     
  13. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    You have more in common with Nazism than Islam does.
     
  14. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    that sounds more like an asshole thing that a jew thing. ( just like I think many of the negative stereotypes of jews came about because it was things common among jew I think they got their because they were things common among bankers and the like most of whom were jewish at least in europe.)
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    From Neve Gordon:

    And so it goes.
     
  16. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    That is either tautological, true simply by definition of "Jew", or very far from the case.

    When Hitler set about eradicating them from German society, for example, he was forced to employ secret informants and multi-generational genealogical records to identify his targets. They were so far from being apart and distinct as to be invisible, with tens of thousands of them diffused throughout German society. Similar efforts would be necessary in my area, should another Holocaust be attempted in Minnesota.
     
  17. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    On the jewish ethiopians.

    Okay. First you should know that it was the Israeli's that brought over the first group of Ethiopians, it wasn't the Ethiopians who requested return;

    The Israeli government officially accepted the Beta Israel as Jews in 1975, for the purpose of the Law of Return. Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin obtained clear rulings from Chief Sephardi Rabbi Ovadia Yosef that they were descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes. They were, however, required to undergo pro forma Jewish conversions, to remove any doubt as to their Jewish status.

    Beginning in 1984, the Israeli-led Operation Moses began transporting Beta Israel to Israel. In 1985, it came to an abrupt halt, leaving many of the Beta Israel still in Ethiopia. It was not until 1990 that the governments of Israel and Ethiopia came to an agreement to allow the remaining Beta Israel a chance to emigrate to Israel. In 1991, the political and economic stability of Ethiopia deteriorated, as rebels mounted attacks against and eventually controlled the capital city of Addis Ababa.

    Worried about the fate of the Beta Israel during the transition period, the Israeli government along with several private groups prepared to continue covertly with the migration. After El Al obtained a special provision to fly on Shabbat (because of the danger to life), on Friday, May 24, Operation Solomon began.

    Over the course of the next 36 hours, a total of 34 El Al passenger planes, with their seats removed to maximize passenger capacity, flew 14,325 Beta Israel non-stop to Israel.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Israel

    So its disingenuous to pretend that they were not welcome into Israel.

    Next Beta Israel though they do suffer racism its not as bad as you are relating as by comparing them to the aboriginals, that's the wrong kind of example.

    As far as the special procedures to make alia, Islam in Ethiopia happens to be the second largest religion in Ethiopia, because beta israel's existence only became widely known, even to other jews, in the 70's there were provisions set in place to make sure that what they were bringing in were actually jews who had the right to return and not enemies of Israel coming in under a guise of belonging, who would later turn on the State. So that was one issue. The other was integration itself, its reported in 1999 that 75% of this group couldn't speak Hebrew for example, they came from a subsistence society and Israel is a modern industrial society in short their integration process entailed other details that Israeli society were not initially prepared for. This is an integration problem that takes place in virtually all societies.

    So there are problems but you first have to recognize that Israel were the first to bring them in as jews.

    You have had aboriginals in Aussie land for a long time now, not simply brought in since the 70's and 80's, hell they were even there first! And still have yet to work out an equitable society, you haven't worked out your own fucking issues. You also have more recent immigrants like the Lebanese whom you still have yet to deal with. Call it out but its not as if you come from a squeaky clean society in terms of:

    1. Occupation

    2. Treating others as second class citizens

    3. Depriving them of their land, their language and recognition in terms of the law

    4. Killing them

    5. Keeping them separate in reservation like 'camps'

    I could go on but I won't. Israel is only 60 years old and faces more complexities than Australia ever had to. So what's the fucking problem with Aussies?:shrug:

    Glass houses. Glass houses.

    Bunch of fucking NAZI'S and the descendants of NAZIS. LAND THIEVES AND INTERLOPERS!! Shame on you:spank:
     
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  18. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Absolutely true.
     
  19. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I thought abotu commenting on this comment; initially I wrote it off. But it's worth mentioning: numerous religions 'differentiate' or discriminate within the religion itself: Christianity and Islam, to name two. If we're going to criticism Judaism (and, the OP is "Does Israeli elite believe they're the master race?") on this basis, you'd have to do the same for all religions: meaning it isn't specific to Judaism, and doesn't reflect some sekrit sekrit skeleton in the closet for this religion.
     
  20. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    :bugeye: And so what goes? To where?
     
  21. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    Not to detract from some of the points you are trying to make (I think many israelis do in fact see themselves as a sort of master race, ie. god's own people) But the autosomal problem is actually higher amongst palestinians so that argument doesn't really work.
     
  22. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    There is scientific support for this.

    How religion made Jews genetically distinct
     
  23. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    Someone like you who criticizes Israel every time, question everything Israelis say, and talk trash about Jews is a Jew hating asshole.
     
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