Does Israeli Elite Believe They Are The Master Race?

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Do You Think That The Israeli Elite Believe They Are The Master Race?

  1. No - this is a complete fallacy

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  2. Yes - it pervades the attitude of their TV representatives

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  3. I don't know - what are you talking about?

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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    How many Israelis are living in Jewish housing which did not used to be Jewish housing but a Palestinian home/orchard?

    According to the Geneva conventions the occupiers are not permitted to move their civilians into occupied territory, but from the nakba onwards, this is what has been done to Palestinians, who themselves are not permitted to return
     
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  3. kmguru Staff Member

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    You do not have to torpedo a ship to sink. They can easily board in the dark night and blow up the engine with a hole at the bottom. Then in the morning they could have rescued those people as good Samaritans.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    They killed everyone with head shots. The mentality is not conducive to being rescuers. The desire is to kill.
     
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  7. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Or desert. Or anything else. But you select your phrases about this with care, always with the same goalpost in mind: defamation. You're not bothered by the appropriation of Jewish people's property in the rest of the ME, or with their plight prior to 1948, so your outrage is selective.

    So I'm forced to conclude that your argument is indeed a standard racist line.
     
  8. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    False.
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    When non-Jews can move into these homes, I will alter my opinion. At present, though, once a housing becomes Jewish, non-Jews are not permitted to live there [so where do the evicted go?]. To me, that is racism. Even when rented out to non-Jews, the court too does not permit it.

    A racist state.
     
  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Unrelated. You're accusing all Jews of supporting this.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Pay attention - The topic is Does Israeli Elite Believe They Are The Master Race?

    What do you think of the court supported policy of not renting to Arabs in Jewish housing?
     
  12. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Irrelevant. I have deviated into your specific opinion. I apologize if it seems OT, but there's precedent for such a deviation. And, more to the point, at no time until now has the term elite come up in your discussion.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Read the thread, specifically my first post in it/.
     
  14. Bells Staff Member

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    I think it was 5 killed with gunshot wounds to the back of the head or shot in the back, fired at close range, wasn't it?

    They learned from the best..

    He actually cannot.

    Because then he would be forced to acknowledge what is racist ideology:

    Notice how easy it is for him to support state sanctioned racism? One has to wonder why?
     
  15. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    You are classically, badly wrong. Again. I do acknowledge that, and it is deeply offensive. Now let us see you acknowledge the kind of anti-Jewish hatred informing the events that led to the battle on the Mara as being even somewhat offensive (not to mention indicative of motivation), rather than the racist dismissal of them as a "singalong", you utter bigot.

    Another abominable, vicious lie. I have consistently degraded such memes and policies. You have three choices: prove otherwise, retract immediately, or simply shut up. Absurd racist; not to mention illiterate. Your last line isn't even a question.
     
  16. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Unimportant: your last ones deviate completely from this supposed premise, and without reservation despite numerous opportunities I gave you to refute such a position. My suspicion is that it was a blanket permission that you felt gave you leeway to speak in the manner you seem to prefer: without differentiation.
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Pointing out that most Israelis [ie over 80%] think themselves an entitled master race who deserve an Aryan a Jewish state in their vaterland, is hardly deviating from my premise. There may be a statistically insignificant number of those 80% who do not think that way, however, except for dozen or so, they probably do not live in the occupied territories anyway.
     
  18. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    You know that Muslims inspired the NAZIS and the idea of a master race.
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Have you heard of autosomal recessive genetic disorders? Its very common in those population groups who interbreed and avoid intermarriage due to notions of purity of race or caste. I consider it the natural cure for racism.
     
  20. Slysoon Registered Senior Member

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    That is not true.

    Germany’s national socialists were influenced, amongst other factors, heavily by eugenic theories in the United States which had already been popularized and established as law in some shape or form in about thirty-three states. These laws were based on the works of prominent scientists and societies of the time which believed healthy and “talented” couples to produce healthier and more “talented” offspring, and dumb, diseased couples to produce similarly dumb, diseased children. The works of Alexander Graham Bell, the great minds who participated in the American Eugenics Society (notably Madison Grant and Irving Fisher), and even English polymaths such as Sir Francis Galton and Charles Darwin, all contributed to the eugenics program in the United States and the helped shape the tools eventually used in Germany to eliminate social undesirables and maintain the health and integrity of healthy, intelligent individuals who wished their offspring to reflect the same desirable qualities.

    State-law eugenics in the United States, which targeted mentally retarded people and criminals, were responsible for sterilizing a total of about sixty-thousand people. You have to remember that many of the greatest minds and most influential politicians of these times subscribed to eugenic theories and in many ways paved the way for Germany’s eugenic programs. Eugenics as a concept and practice always finds itself accompanying any “master race” movement that wishes to be taken seriously, either outright enforced by law (as witnessed in the past in the United States, Japan, and Germany) or practiced through social and religious encouragement (as seen in all of Jewish history, which strongly stressed the importance of preserving the purity of the Jewish race through rabbinical decrees against the marriage of two defectives, the marriage of a defective and a healthy individual, and consanguineous marriages).
     
  21. Bells Staff Member

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    Actually no, they didn't.

    It was pure and simple racism that led to the notion of the master race. And the desire to see Germans elevated to the superiority he (Hitler) deluded himself into thinking they had.
     
  22. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    You misunderstand. Your present premise is that - let's just cut to your actual point - all Jews are bad. So your present arguments, including those above, do not constitute a deviation; they are the current premise. This position deviates strongly from your (purported) original premise that "the Israeli elite thinks they're the master race". So your post is false.

    You have not cited a poll indicating that 80% of Israelis supported the attacks on Gaza. You have not indicated that this is based in racism. You have not indicated what methodology was used for the poll. What you have done is to slander all Israelis (again: let's be frank here - Jews) repeatedly.

    Anything to add?

    So now the implication is that Jews are inbred. (Except that you got the connection between "interbreeding" and population groups backwards.)

    Except, earlier, the implication was that Jews were insufficiently genetically contiguous to have a genetic claim to return to Israel.

    So which is it?

    And how is your entire argument not then racist from stem to stern?

    (Sorry for the short queries: I've just entered a tolerating no more bullshit phase.)
     
  23. Bells Staff Member

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    I don't think I would call it a 'master race' syndrome. More a complex of superiority, which exists amongs Jews in Israel as well.

    And it exists amongst all cultures to a certain extent.

    What we are seeing in Israel is a division. The Jew only housing, and the desire of the Israelis to have complete segregation that harks back to the apartheid regime in South Africa, that is racism pure and simple. Whether it stems from a belief that they are the master race? No. African Jews feel just as discriminated in Israel, but they are less discriminated against than an Israeli Arab, for example. It is almost like a scaling ladder. With the Palestinians or the Arabs living in Israel or the occupied territories, being on the lowest step..

    In the end, it will not result in a cohesive society. We only have to look at regimes where the notion of superiority exists amongst the populace to see that it will eventually fail. We can look at the classic example of South Africa. And then look at Zimbabwe, where first it was the whites who were the ruling elite and the complete turn around when Mugabe took power and imposed the same restriction and almost apartheid beliefs against the once politically and socially dominant whites. It leads to ruin.

    We can't say 'master race' for the Jewish faith, because they comprise of such a wide range of races. I see it more as a notion or belief of superiority.. one that exists within the religion itself and is also used against non-Jews, primarily Arabs in the region. It is also a religious superiority. And that also exists in other faiths as well.

    Either way, the results are the same. An us versus them within the religious institution itself and also against all outsiders.
     
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