Does H2o2 or Hydrogen Peroxide have effects on plants?

Discussion in 'Chemistry' started by eyng7623, Apr 22, 2011.

  1. eyng7623 Registered Member

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    I tested it on a regular lilli.
    It seems to bloom more flowers than if I just give it water.
    If you try this, tell me what happens to your plant
     
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  3. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    You could of gone with the CSI Bleach usage.
     
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  5. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    I can't imagine any positive effects - but there are bound to be negative ones.

    In the first place, plants don't need the extra oxygen. They happily make MUCH more than they can use as long as they're in the light. And while the H2O2 might kill some harmful microorganisms, it most certainly will destroy the beneficial ones in the soil. That's not good at all.
     
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  7. kevinalm Registered Senior Member

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    I seem to recall reading long ago that the effects of H2O2 poisoning on all biologicals is similar to that of radiation poisoning. They both result in the same sort of damage at the molecular level due to highly reactive oxygen bearing free radicals. I'm going strictly from memory though.

    Come to think of it I remember hearing some anecdotal accounts that radiation can stimulate plant growth. Pretty sure that there was something in the old book "Hiroshima" about that. Don't know if it's every been scientifically studied/proven though.
     
  8. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Hi, Kevin,

    I don't know about that second part but your first paragraph is absolutely true.

    That's precisely why hydrogen peroxide is SO widely used as a treatment for infection. The excessive levels of oxygen causes biologicals to literally "burn themselves up."
     
  9. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Don't know about plants, but there is H2O2 therapy for people. The premise is you can absorb more oxygen into your blood by ingesting a daily increasing dosage until you reach a maximum recommended dosage. For anybody interested search on 'H2O2 therapy'.
     
  10. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Even though my woo-woo meter was off-scale, I did the search anyway. And every single result I got looked like a scam / pure bogus thing. Reminds me very much of the 1930s (or thereabouts) when snake oil salesmen were promoting and selling radioactive water to people to drink.
     
  11. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    I was irrigating my sinuses with it until they said it was causing severe irritation that they could see visually.
    Too bad, it's the only thing I found that controls the infection.
     
  12. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    That may be and I would believe that except for one thing. I can't see where they are making any money off the scam. Maybe off the cheap book they recommend that you buy. The food quality 35% H2O2 you can get at any health food store, and distilled water comes in bottles at any grocery store.
     
  13. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Do you know what strength you were using? The standard stuff people use to gargle with is 3%, but is not food quality, meaning not recommended for consumption.

    You might have better luck if you mixed your own with the higher quality H2O2. At least then you would have control over the strength of the solution you were using.
     
  14. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Better yet, stick with standard medical practices and avoid the quackery!

    Good grief, the stuff is a disinfectantt - which means it kills living tissue - and that includes HUMAN tissue. Stupid people believe that just because it's action is comparably mild that it's harmless to people - and that's an outright lie.
     
  15. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    I'll bet you that all medicine you've ever used in your life can kill you if used in the wrong dosage or not according to prescribed directions. The fact that you can get food quality H2O2 at almost any health food store should tell you something. Also they have many warnings about using at the wrong dosage.
     
  16. ULTRA Realistically Surreal Registered Senior Member

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    H2O2 is a destructive and dangerous chemical. It oxidises organic matter readily and I would never recommend anybody drank it at any concentration. It has no beneficial properties the body can utilise internally without causing damage to tissues. To suggest such a practise is safe, or worse, desirable, is contrary to accepted scientific knowledge.
    People should take anti-oxidants such as those found in tea, coffee and vegetables etc. To deliberately consume an oxidant is totally contrary to dietry advice.
    Basically, it's a really really crap idea that should not be done by anybody, ever.

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  17. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Give us break! There's been all kinds of faddish stuff pushed in "health food" stores - a fair amount of it is pure garbage and some (like this) can be outright dangerous.

    If you want to promote it as a useful medical approach/treatment, please present us with the results of a clinical study that SHOWS it's beneficial and not harmful.
     
  18. Walter L. Wagner Cosmic Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    This discourse rather reminds me of a short sci-fi story I read many years ago. A planet had developed artificial intelligence/robots (presumably from wayward artificially intelligent space probes), and they were unfamiliar with biological life. Then a wayward spaceship crash-landed with a human occupant. The occupant was running low on oxygen. The robots queried (via radio) what assistance was needed. He kept on saying he needed more oxygen. Of course, the robots were well aware of the exceptionally corrosive properties of pure oxygen, and how it was potentially very harmful to them, so they reasoned that the crash-landed spaceship had suffered a serious malfunction to be requesting oxygen. They undertook emergency measures, including removing remaining oxygen and warming, but their efforts were futile, and the crashed space-ship went radio-silent. They then did an 'autopsy', but found no sign of the malfunction, and an odd carbon-based goo that remained inexplicable to them.

    So, yes, lets examine the evidence that low doses of extra oxygen via di-hydrogen-dioxide might stimulate a positive response. I don't have any, so someone else will have to present it.
     
  19. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    I know people have been using it, also alcohol:

    (note this is for hydroponic cultures!)

    A forum discussion: http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/pepper/msg060037598337.html


    (For alcohol, another unusual substance to use for plants: http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/March06/drunk.flowers.ssl.html)
     
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    Yep, I'll buy those benefits when used in a hydroponic setup.

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    It's potted plants - and especially medicinal applications - that I object to.
     
  21. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Have you read the theory behind the therapy? Have you read the papers written by doctors that have studied the use of H2O2 to correct human problems? Do you think the oxygen you breath is bad for you? When you take it orally the H2O2 molecule give up one H2O + O to the blood. The blood is designed to carry oxygen to the body cells that need it. But what if your lungs are impaired and your body is not getting enough oxygen. Your options are somewhat limited, besides carrying around an oxygen bottle everywhere you go, you might be able to use the oxygen therapy of H2O2.
     
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    There's just barely enough science in all the above to make the highly-uneducated buy into it. Please show us some solid PROOF to support your statements.

    For example: yes, oxygen is needed for your body to function. But it has a system in place to take care of that need. To the best of knowledge, it has NO mechanism to extract oxygen from peroxide and have it absorbed into the bloodstream. Sounds like quackery to me! :bugeye:
     
  23. ULTRA Realistically Surreal Registered Senior Member

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    What papers, source?

    Too much oxygen is toxic, fact.

    They already get plenty of oxygen. The majority of oxygen from H2O2 would never even get near the bloodstream, it would react in the gut, probably killing important gut flora along the way.

    then you should be under medical supervision.

    H2O2 has no medical uses for people with impaired breathing. Carting a useless corrosive reactive chemical about is likely to cause more harm, as it cannot cause any good.

    Even Ozone, O3 is poisonous in any appreciable quantity. Why don't you learn something about biochemistry before posting such rubbish? Oxygen is expelled from plants because it's a waste bi-product, they don't want or need it. Biology 101.

    Edit* the above goes for normal photosynthesis where oxygen is a toxic bi-product, though you might be interested that plants can use oxygen at night to burn sugars..
     
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