Does God care about atheists

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Xelasnave.1947, Dec 1, 2017.

  1. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I think the biggest cop-out (IMO) is this idea that God is perfection, some look to nature and find "perfection" in something, yet nature is far from perfect.

    God creates imperfect Man when it would have been just as easy to create perfect Man in a perfect world. This is usually followed with "but he gave us free-will". Again, why do that? Or, if we were perfect, giving us free-will would still result in perfection.

    Regarding believing "someone" was God if he returned to Earth. How about just ending all war, sickness, injustice, cause everyone to get along and cooperate for the betterment of all.

    It wouldn't actually be a hard thing to convince people if the God that arrived was more than a hat trick artist.
     
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  3. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    It is awesome... but god-awful for the unlucky who are "eaten alive"

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    For me thers just to much misery to thank it woud be horrible if life as we know it didnt exist or had never existed.!!!

    Reality is my system... but alas... as man evolved - so has after-life superstitons which many flock to in order to mask the pain an make the fear of death more bearable.!!!
     
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  5. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    If I couldn't find value in the life I have, what value would there be in eternal life?
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    A better life, man! With streets paved of Gold!
     
  8. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    So is it you'r argument that eternal life has no value.???
     
  9. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    If?
    I know someone who is spiritual and she is off with the fairies.
    I know a bloke who is spiritual and he is a nutter.
    This area is full of spiritual people and most love their pot (dope) and they are OK but for me spiritual does announces someone " funny" has arrived.
    But you are keen, read the bible and see if it works for you.
    Alex
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, there would be.

    And then he'd do it in front of millions, repeatably and independently, and the chaos would change to wonder and acceptance.

    Would God let our freaking out stand in his way? Why?
     
  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I suppose the question could be asked, given God loves us etc, is why he remains hidden and can only be found in the imagination of believers.
    Works in mysterious ways?
    To do so would impede our free will?
    I suggest he remains hidden cause he can only be in ones imagination which although possible seems most strange and points more to probable non existence.
    Alex
     
  12. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    If he gave us Facebook why doesn't he post?
    Or use twitter?
    Alex
     
  13. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sure he does.
     
  14. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    I just find it odd that people will believe a book that they KNOW has been altered, embellished and re-edited by people with an agenda for many years is the "word of God". People buy the myth of a man rising from the dead on the basis of evidence that Magical Realist would find underwhelming.
     
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  15. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Question - instead of having a child, build a robot. One completely and utterly obedient to your whims and wishes.

    By the logic you just put forth, there should be no difference. Would you consider the robot to love you?
     
  16. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    And there would, no doubt, be war. And death. Lots of death.

    Let's be honest - we can't even get people to believe demonstrable fact (such as "the Earth is round" and "smoking contributes to the risk of cancer")... You expect people to simply believe what they see on TV when it goes against the very fabric if their beliefs?

    Humanity... Sadly... Just isn't that smart.
     
  17. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Smite a few and I think that would gain undivided attention.
    But you are right I for one would probably not accept it was him...its a conspiracy by the church would be my position I expect.
    Alex
     
  18. ForrestDean Registered Senior Member

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    Hehe, I can tell you right now the last thing I want to see after leaving here is another place with streets.
     
  19. ForrestDean Registered Senior Member

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    Yep, there's actually more evidence that Jesus didn't exist than... well, other than the Holy Bible there is no evidence that he ever existed.
     
  20. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not God. I'm not perfect so there is no analogy there. Why would God need his creations to love him? Is creating imperfect creatures the best solution even if that were the case? If he created creature to love him why would he then put them in a world with sickness, natural disasters, "evil", etc.?

    It seems a rather round about way of accomplishing anything positive.

    If you imagine a world in which it was a fact that there was no God, it would be very similar to our world.

    If you imagine a world in which it was a fact that there was a God, you would think it would be very unlike our world.
     
  21. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I agree. Richard Carrier produced a scholarly work on this very subject, I think it's called "The Historicity of Christ" (or something like that).
     
  22. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Gold is just so impractical for streets as well.

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  23. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    I can't answer that except to ask - what is life without love?
     

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