Does Common Descent Follow Logically From Darwin's Four Postulates?

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  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    So what's the more likely explanation? That programmers upgraded XP to Windows 10 - or that a supernatural creator created both, and just made it appear as if it occurred during the normal software development process?
     
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  3. rpenner Fully Wired Staff Member

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    This shows evidence of originating from a quote mine.
    First Edition was published circa 1998 http://www.textbooks.com/Evolutiona...0135680230/Scott-Freeman-and-Jon-C-Herron.php
    Second Edition was published circa 2001 http://www.textbooks.com/Evolutiona...780130172914/Scott-Freeman-and-Jon-Herron.php
    Third Edition was published circa 2004 http://www.textbooks.com/Evolutiona...780131018594/Scott-Freeman-and-Jon-Herron.php
    Fourth Edition was published in 2007 https://www.pearsonhighered.com/product/Freeman-Evolutionary-Analysis-4th-Edition/9780132275842.html
    Fifth Edition was published in 2014 https://www.pearsonhighered.com/program/Herron-Evolutionary-Analysis-5th-Edition/PGM296285.html

    So it looks like after reading http://dererumnatura.us/archives/2007/04/barking-at-the.html
    It was cut-and-pasted as this http://www.everythingimportant.org/SDA/viewtopic.php?t=2111#p6664 where the "4th edition" was added.
    And then copied here.
     
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  5. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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  7. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    I didn't expect you to understand my point because it exposes the superficial thinking of those who imagine whatever evidence they need to confirm them in their beliefs.
     
  8. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Trusting Thesist and their sources is downright dangerous and stupid

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  9. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    Source: hhh.gavilan.edu/jcrocker/documents/Unit4ReviewPresentation.pdf

    To be compared to:
    Source: http://everythingimportant.org/devolution/
     
  10. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Now there's a pot/ kettle/black scenario if ever there was one.
    Another bonehead loon for the ignore list.
     
  11. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    What are the four postulates presented in Charles Darwin’s On the Origin of Species?

    The four postulates presented by Darwin in On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life (eventually shortened to On the Origin of Species) are as follows:

    1) Individuals within species are variable;
    2) Some of these variations are passed on to offspring;
    3) In every generation, more offspring are produced than can survive; and
    4) The survival and reproduction of individuals are not random; the individuals who survive and go on to reproduce the most are those with the most favorable variation, and they are naturally selected. It follows logically from these that the characteristics of the population will change with each subsequent generation until the population becomes distinctly different from the original; this process is known as evolution.

    Source: https://www.papertrell.com/apps/pre...tent/SC/52cb02a282fad14abfa5c2e0_default.html
     
  12. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    For the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the people of the light. -- Jesus.
     
  13. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    There's a sucker born every minute

    Attributed to P T Barnum but may have early connections

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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I am coming late to this circus, so I'm just gonna pick a few of Mr Shubert's more objectionable posts.
    The answer to the question is a resounding No! The scientific rules would never allow an "adjoining" of an unprovable postulate to Darwin's four postulates (which to my knowledge, is probably the most researched scientific discipline of all), the same as it would not allow an unprovable postulate to be adjoined with any scientific theory.
    An unprovable postulate is not acceptable in science. It is in religion and that is what scientifically negates the concept of a sentient Divine Creator.
     
  15. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    Don't tell me. Tell it to the religious nuts that are confident that they have an ancestor whose descendants eventually evolved into ordinary yellow bananas.
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Something like the axiom a + a = 2 x a ? It's fundamental but not an assumption.

    The attempt to create an axiom that allows for an unprovable component is not allowed in science. It is in religion and that scientifically negates the concept of an axiom which allows for a sentient Divine Creator.
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    If he did, he was wrong.
    There is one universal language, which we have translated into a common symbolic language. It's the language of mathematics.
     
  18. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry, that's not an axiom in any axiomatic system that I'm aware of.
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Curiously, all religious scripture claim a different and exclusively true god. Apparently they were also written by different people. One thing is clear, God was not the author of all scripture.
     
  20. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry, you should know that mathematicians have the audacity to formulate very esoteric, unintuitive axioms for the purpose of studying their implications.
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    However the concept of quantum creation of a sentient Divine Creator is not consistent with quantum creationism .
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That's why the first physical particles were H and HE, were at least H is a required component of all life, including a sentient Divine Creator. But of course that presents a contradiction.
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    You shouldn't be happy about that at all. Darwin constructed a logically admissible AND (from the evidence that has survived some 3.8 billion years) very probable postulate.
     

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