Does Christianity makes us better persons or worse persons?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Magical Realist, May 31, 2017.

  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I say worse. My experience with very religious christian people is that they are judgmental, monomaniacal, paranoid, and narrowminded. They generally devote their whole life studying one among the millions of books that humans have written, squeezing out of this turnip all the sustenance they can for some modicum of purpose in their empty lives. There is an undercurrent of anger and bitterness and hatred in the Christian that always comes to the surface. "I am a chosen child of God. You are are damned sinner. You have no validity as a person. We will reign on earth after all of you are burned up. I am the mouthpiece of God. Believe me or be damned." What makes this any different from jihadist Islam?
     
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  3. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Science is much more rigid than ANY religion

    Even the principal of uncertainty applies the same to everyone

    If you allow faith, miracles, stuff not explained by scientific laws and the supernatural to be in play then it is open slather for anything goes

    I very much doubt the Universe could survive with miracles and the supernatural flying around

    Faith would make it worse because whatever us puny humans could dream up comes into the mix

    The funny thing is that in the real real world NOTHING of what faith believe has ever been seen

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  5. birch Valued Senior Member

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    no, unfortunately it's the exact opposite. people manifest all types of perversions, lies, deceptions, obfuscations and actions based on belief, misinformation, or faith. it doesn't even have to be religion. the paradox is the erroneous can still have power to effect real life consequences.
     
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  7. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    EXACTLY

    Anything goes

    My invisible god can piss up the wall higher and longer than your god

    And he has given me permission to eliminate all who do not believe in him

    Enter onto the stage

    all types of perversions, lies, deceptions, obfuscations and actions based on belief

    which

    doesn't even have to be religion

    and have no evidence in view but

    can still have power to effect real life consequences

    The solution to this segment of the human condition

    Stop believing in nonexistent gods

    Analyse all your actions

    Do they improve the human condition or even on a wider scale the environment?

    Do they explain our observations of the Universe and are able to explain (predict) further happenings?

    Yes and yes OK follow that road

    Try not to be misslead by Dorothy of the red shoes and the non existent Yellow brick road

    or

    the god of the non existent heaven

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  8. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    You are forgetting : befor science there was order , order come from religious law " Torah "
    Do you read history ? Would you believe the world is older than 100 years old,
     
  9. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Order - Universe order - is Physics and is unchangeable

    Order - human order - comes from humans and is as changeable as smoke in a hurricane

    My reading of history Not much

    Earth older than 100 years?

    I'm getting closer to a 100

    I'll hold judgement on that

    When I pass 100 will let you know

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  10. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Christianity does change anyone for the better or the worst. You are what you are.

    Next...
     
  11. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

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    Given that all religions eventually become extinct, it would seem obvious that much time, energy and materials are wasted by the adherents.
    It would be better spent on research into a cure for Malaria or any other mass-killer supposedly designed by their imaginary gods.
     
  12. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    I doubt believes will get extinct, Assume the original man was not religious . So what turned him to become religious ? Everybody have a master, or an alpha male , so we always will subordinate to some superior to us
     
  13. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Inventing explanations

    When he found out he was believed

    he became religious (or as I would put it "con artist")

    A sort of larger version of those who become legends in their own mind and think they are god

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  14. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Keep in mind in the beginning there was no religion . Man could be in a difficult situation , the he got some help, and at that moment he invoked some and that he got help,
     
  15. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly

    He needed help

    By coincidence

    He got help

    He had just invented prayer

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  16. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    So what is wrong with that? and probably since that he started to look for god, for a helper and he put his faith in that being , as example many of native american ,believe in the great spirit, that created nature, so they protect nature.
     
  17. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Nothing wrong with that

    IF IF IF it stayed at that

    But when he found out he was onto a good lurk and

    he could make up a good story when prayers were NOT answered he

    turned into a con artist

    If he had looked into the REASONS why some prayers worked and

    others didn't he may have become a scientist

    instead of a con artist priest selling snake oil

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  19. Thomas Cranmer Registered Member

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    I see your point and agree, however, it doesn't answer the OP "better or worse".
    You are really addressing the question "Is any religion true?"
    If Christianity is false, then it should be abandoned, even if it has benefits.
    Getting drunk every day might make you happy, but that doesn't justify it.
    So I think the answer is we don't care.
    Better or worse ? Just give it up.
     
  20. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    What's wrong with it is those who were killed due to "nature" don't get a say in what gets believed in

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  21. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    A person is who they are due to a complex mix of environmental situations of which religion plays, in some a tiny component, in others extremely large

    Same goes for communities

    On balance, looking just at the religion component I would say it makes a worse person than one without religion

    If I was making a person from scratch I would definitely leave out the religion ingredient. I would go as far as dumping religion in the large outside garbage container

    If I lived near a nuclear reactor I would ask if I could put religion in with their toxic waste

    Does that make it clear I think a pinch of religion in anybody makes them worse? Somewhat like Typhoid Mary. While they might not suffer they can spread it

    I can ramble / rant more but I need coffee at the moment

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  22. Thomas Cranmer Registered Member

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    Oh but Religions do become extinct and are usually replaced by newer religions.
    The ancient Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Celt, Viking religions are all extinct.
    Nobody worships Apollo any more.

    Christianity may easily be replaced by Islam.
    There are lots of Mosques in Britain that are reconfigured Churches.

    All religions have a "life curve".
    They start small, get bigger, get smaller then die.

    In fact, a fatal problem, the "smoking gun" of all religions is that they start at some point in history.

    Example...
    Jesus said, nobody can be saved except through him.
    So all the people that lived before were not saved.
    But clearly, that's not fair and we believe God is fair.
    Therefore Jesus was mistaken.
    Therefore Christianity is false.

    You can apply this logic to any religion.
    Therefore all religions are false.

    That is the smoking gun.
     
  23. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Does Christianity Make us Worse or Better People? I think it depends on the person and what they take away from Christianity. Charity and forgiveness are probably good things.
     

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