# Does Chaos Theory prove a Mathematically Ordered Universe

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Write4U, Aug 7, 2020.

1. ### river

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Mathematics is a consequence of the Real Physical Objects . Do you understand pad ?

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Question is river, do you understand?

5. ### river

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Do you understand my post #341 ? No you don't .

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Actually I have like most, the run of any section in the forum...which you don't

Philosophical, pretentious claptrap, which I doubt you understand yourself.
Mathematics is the "invented" language of physics and science in general.
Without it, we would not be able to understand the universe to the extent we do today, and make and calculate orbits, spacetime warpages aka gravity, expansion rate, etc etc etc.
But you can read about all of that in reputable science books and some of my excellent science threads river.

8. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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Zero, that's the point. Zero is an abstract relational value (the absence of a value).

9. ### river

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Which means that 0 , Zero , is not nothing , but the absence of something . Nothing in the fridge for example .

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Relational to what ? What do you mean ? Explain further .

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Here is a simpler description
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/0_(number)
0 (zero) is both a number and a numerical digit used to represent that number in numerals. As a number, zero means nothing—an absence of other values. It plays a central role in mathematics as the identity element of the integers, real numbers, and many other algebraic structures. As a digit, zero is used as a placeholder in place value systems. Historically, it was the last digit to come into use. In the English language, zero may also be called nil when a number, o/oh when a numeral, and nought/naught in either context.

11. ### river

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Zero was originally an accounting symbol , in Ancient Babylon .

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So? What has that to do with your claim it isn't a number? You were wrong again...face reality.

13. ### river

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Zero has no substance . And/or is the absence of substance .

In the Physical , zero is the latter , but not the elimination of substance . To my first statement , To the physical , Zero is not possible.

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Again so what??
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/0_(number)
0 (zero) is both a number and a numerical digit used to represent that number in numerals.
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Now go run along river, go along shoo! [or if you like buzz off] I'm not playing with you today, or your trollish childish games.

15. ### river

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What is the number based on ?

16. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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Logic, no physical stuff is required for zero to be true. It is an axiom.
https://www.britannica.com/science/Peano-axioms

p.s. it is a relational value. In physics, relational (interactive) values are the only values that "count".

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17. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldlValued Senior Member

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Didn't read all of the reference but didn't see what I picked up from QI English comedy panel show

They quoted not only was 0 a number, it was a EVEN number, as it lay between -1 and 1

18. ### river

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With no substance .

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I must come back and offer my sincere congratulations river. I always thought there was no hope for you and learning, but at last you have finally picked up some knowledge. Good boy!!!

Anything else is incidental of course.

20. ### river

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Its been going on for years pad .

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The forum and myself will be the best judge of that. But I do give you a point on todays effort....that brings it to 1.oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo1% in total!!

22. ### river

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And I will judge the forum and you pad .