Do you support the UK government refusing to offer life saving treatment to autistic people?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by DQVOID, Jan 12, 2023.

  1. DQVOID Registered Member

    Without the aforementioned disabled person having any say in it?

    According to news reports, people with disabilities, including learning disabilities, are being put on DNR lists without their consent in the UK:

    EachOther, a Human Rights advocacy group, has condemned this as a ''breach of human rights'':

    Wikipedia says this about a Do Not Resuscitate order

    ''Sometimes these decisions and the relevant documents also encompass decisions around other critical or life-prolonging medical interventions.[3]''

    So, a person having a DNR put on them not only means they will not be given CPR, it also means they will not be given live saving or life prolonging medical treatments.

    Some people are comparing this to Nazi eugenics, or even genocide. What are your thoughts on that?
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

    No they're not.

    Here's what the first article says: "CQC received feedback from stakeholders, people who use services and their families and carers, that ‘blanket’ DNACPR decisions had been proposed at a local level.” In other words, someone (say, someone's aunt) thinks that blanket decisions had been PROPOSED (not implemented.)

    Here's what the second article says: "They asked if we wanted a DNR if Ilhan had to be taken to hospital with coronavirus." They ASKED if she wanted a DNR. They did not FORCE a DNR on her.

    Here's what the third article says: "I was called by my GP asking me to sign a ‘do not resuscitate’ [DNR] order in the event of me becoming sick" They ASKED if he wanted a DNR. They did not FORCE a DNR on him.

    The fourth article is a copy of the second one.

    My thought is that you should learn to read.
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  5. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

    Back in 2020 when apparently it all started, it sounds like the potentially "unlawful" DNR forms or orders were coming from certain local specialists and practitioners that were acting independently. Rather than such being dictated to them by a "central headquarters" of NHS. The latter actually sent letters to the former before(?) and/or after telling the "provincial renegades" not do to that.

    ‘Unprecedented’ number of DNR orders for learning disabilities patients

    EXCERPTS: "The orders have come despite NHS England telling all primary care, community trust and acute CEOs on 3 April that any decisions on a treatment for people with learning disability and or autism should be made on an individual basis. [...] NHS trusts, GP providers, and clinical commissioning groups were again on 7 April, in a letter from NHSE chief nurse Ruth May and medical director Stephen Powis, told not to send out blanket DNR forms. Last week, Matt Hancock reiterated this guidance during a daily briefing."​

    The Independent article, though, suggests that this is part of an old and ongoing problem rather than something novel. So ultimately, maybe the sloppiness and inefficiency of NHS overall could be to blame. But that's not necessarily equivalent to deliberately engineering and planning it.

    EXCERPT: "[...] that phrase is utterly inadequate for the blanket placing of “do not resuscitate” orders on people who want to live, and have expressed the desire to do so. This is, anyway, nothing new. The problem has been around for some time. The poor record keeping, lack of oversight and scrutiny of decisions – shortfalls in governance – that the report highlights have been problematic for some time."
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