Do you sin against God or man?

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  1. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Hurray hurray. God the slave owner. Let us all praise slave owners.
    Let us all be happy in our slavery.

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  3. dbnp48 Q.E.D. Registered Senior Member

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    For those who may not know,
    Apotheosis (from Greek ἀποθεόων, apotheoun "to deify", in Latin deificatio, and later inItalian gióvino, "to be made divine"), refers to the exaltation of a subject to divine level. The term has meanings in theology, where it refers to a belief, and in art, where it refers to a genre.
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  5. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. Strange how their beliefs took of on a tangent from where they originally picked up their God. In Egypt.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x84m5k_2007doc-zone-pagan-christ-1-of-3_news

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  7. 786 Searching for Truth Valued Senior Member

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    Was this news to you? I now understand why you create all these threads because you practically know nothing about God and religious beliefs.

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  8. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    Aren't you a slave of allah?

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  9. Gremmie "Happiness is a warm gun" Valued Senior Member

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    Shhhh, that's a secret...
     
  10. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    The notion of god being a proprietor is certainly not an alien concept.

    In fact you could say it is the dominant concept, even if one is hell bent on presenting the antithesis of it.

    That's why I ask you what your specific arguments are.
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  11. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    You mean you can't conceive of ownership (or being owned) operating in any other context other than slavery?

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  12. 786 Searching for Truth Valued Senior Member

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    Is there a reason to ask this... or did you even understand my previous post to him...

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  13. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    I can't believe that in the year 2011 people still believe in magical sky-daddies. There's no such thing as SIN so I don't commit sin against anyone.
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Seems pretty clear that sinning against "man" - all of humanity - would be more serious than sinning against the small, somewhat childish, and curiously self-serving philosophical or theological enthusiasms of a subset of people. These gods people invent would be the things to sin against, given a choice.

    Still greater, in its damnation, would be sinning against the way of the world, the Tao or however one names it: larger than humanity, and not as capricious in its taking of offense. But perhaps that is not possible.

    The question of the the entity sinned against in the postulation and enforced inculcation of, say, the common forms of the Abrahamic god(s), might inform the approach. I would say man - the Way flows on more or less unimpeded, truth and beauty and wisdom not necessarily betrayed. I was going to say woman, but in light of Ed Abbey's trenchant observation (that there can be no free men without free women) amended the post.
     
  15. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    then I guess that just leaves you with immense and ever increasing reserves of conditioned nature
     
  16. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    just because the path of truth and beauty remains unimpeded in no way means that all (or even many) individuals are progressing unimpeded on the path of truth and beauty
     
  17. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    me neither. so why do you believe that then?

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    oh yeah, here's the answer...

    that's right michael, there's no such thing as greed, lust, pride, vanity, gluttony, sloth, or wrath.

    now go back to sleep.
     
  18. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Formally, I am one of the owners of our cats.

    Practically, they own us, especially me.

    If they wouldn't be so cute and amiable (well, when they are so), I would think I am a slave.
     
  19. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    One line of arguments comes from experiences with theists (whom we, the run-of-the-mill people, are supposed to see as bona fide representatives of God).

    Namely, one can readily make the striking experience that theists often primarily relate to God in matters where other people are involved.
    For example, instead of thanking or apologizing to the other person, they thank or apologize only to God.

    It leads to relationships where one has the impression that the relationship could take place just the same even without one, that it is all between the theist and God and we are just worthless puppets in it.

    It's as if the theist would think that there is no need to apologize to me if they let me down, but that they only need to talk to God - and I, as the lesser being am supposed to be happy with it and continue the relationship as if the apology was made to me.
     
  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    So merely avoiding the obvious sins against the way of truth and beauty

    avoiding, say, adopting the obfuscations of Abrahamic theology to conceal from oneself the perversion and ugliness of one's oppression of others and one's destruction of the world,

    is no guarantee of absence if sin in general? Agreed.
     
  21. birch Valued Senior Member

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    there are a lot of religious people like this. i would say they are a lot like the pharisees even the bible describes. it says they "bow before the letter of the law but violate the heart of the law" and are hypocrites.

    the simple truth is when people are coming from a sincerity and caring at the root of themselves, it all falls into place as far as the right thing to do in the context of the situation. even the quotes and parables were stressing the 'blind' (though not literal) but if you can see and you keep doing evil, jesus told the pharisees their sin remains. that's what makes one guilty.

    but just using rules or morals as a tool can create corruption and perversity.

    of course one doesn't just sin against a creator, it would sin against the creation. the bible even says man was created in god's image which would signify that life is an extension. i'll bet anyone that if you offend those who think they only sin against god but not people would feel offended personally. morals are for a reason, it's not just a scheme to get into heaven or get off from responsiblity as some people will use it as unfortunately. people who identify with one in power and that people are inconsequential have an elitest complex and are sociopathic and it has nothing to do with what jesus was teaching in the new testament. they are the antithesis of it even though they may use religion.
     
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  22. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    hardly high grade personalism ... especially if one is working out of the context that god's mercy is achievable to the degree that one can recognize and interact with his parts and parcels.

    There are even incidents of extremely advanced personalities (like rupa gosvami) suffering set backs in their spiritual life to the unintentional and accidental offense of run of the mill personalities ... although his quick recognition of the problem has led to him being glorified as a person to whom even the ruffians, as well as the sadhus, hold as dear.
     
  23. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    If you are talking about the obfuscations of oppressing others, you are talking about the obfuscations of politics (which does a wonderful job of potentially running parallel with any notable ideology ... even taoism) so it doesn't seem particularly fair to designate abrahamic theology as the exclusive proprietor.

    I would also argue (also due to the ramifications that tend to come with ideologies as they manifest on the individual or collective political arena) that the sins and their avoidance are not so obvious (at least to the perpetrators).

    But regardless, sin remains a very clear article (even if its definition is hazy) of the world view you are presenting.
     

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