Do You Believe In Evolution?

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by will_ebert, Jun 23, 2002.

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Who here believes in evolution?

  1. The Universe Was Created By God, No Less Than 10,000 Years Ago

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  2. Evolution Is True, But It Was Controlled By God. The Universe Is Billions Of Years Old

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  3. There Is No God. Evolution Is True. The Universe Is Billions Of Years Old

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  1. Roman Banned Banned

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    I was unaware that fossilization was so rare.
     
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  3. protostar Registered Senior Member

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    Since the earth is an accumulation of meteorites and mini planets,
    the meteorites and mini planets are made from material from the sun
    or the "star nursery" and the moon is a mini planet that collided w/ earth
    billions of years ago then spun out to orbit to become our moon,
    and a comet flew down and hit the earth and it contained water
    I'd have to say that is pretty amazing and light, where did light
    come from. anyhoo my point is there has to be an energy point
    somewhere to create all of this and yeah, he is a GOD.
    GOD, (insert your god here).
    proto
     
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  5. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    That's a flaw of human mindwork - humans think that everything that exists must have been created and created by some being, because all human creation is created by humans.
    To automatically stretch this to universal scales...

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    There is no need for a creator, get over it.
     
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  7. protostar Registered Senior Member

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    why? why is that not right? Since homoerectus became homosapien's
    and spread out throughout europe and beyond, through thousands of years they gained knowledge, art, "religion" and so on.. why couldn't the "hand of god" create this; it just took, millions of years! As they spread, different melatonin levels and the sun "created" the different races. This is amazing.
    how could "nature" become "aware" without DEVINE INTERVENTION?
     
  8. Roman Banned Banned

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    Heheh, I got something the "hand of god" can "divinely intervene."

    How does the idea of god even make sense? He has hands and a head? Does he walk upright, or do his knuckles drag?
     
  9. protostar Registered Senior Member

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    god is of the Spirit Being silly.
    Homoerectus didn't have much feelings over death, not
    until homosapiens evolved. Then the awareness of their
    spiritual being came to be. When you realize you have
    a spirit, and your not just a bag of bones walking around
    you become spiritual and have (feeling) weather you like it or not.
    and that is devine intervention.
     
  10. Xylene Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps--just to really piss off the Creationists and I.D.er's--God has become a transcendant being, i.e. moved beyond the need for a body, and is a universal mind. As such, God would be the ultimate expression of evolution.

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  11. Roman Banned Banned

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    Everything's got feelings over death. People just happen to be able to worry real loud about it.
     
  12. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    There was a story by Ben Bova with this as it's premise. God turned out to be our super evolved selves. The 'gods' in the story even took the step of saving the "souls" of every human who ever lived through a process of uploading their consciousness at the time of death. A process that was percieved as traveling down a tunnel towards a light. Anyway, the story was called Orion.
     
  13. protostar Registered Senior Member

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    I'm with Xylene on that one. A Transcendent being. Exactly!
    I just read an interesting article on the tulmuth (ancient scrolls)
    which is the bible written by yet another person. possibly *judas*
    Anyhow, they discuss basically the bible page for page but add "superior beings"to the bible legends.
     
  14. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I don't blame you though, it's just a trait of an undeveloped human brain that has hard time to think on levels and of concepts not based on the classic human perception of the world.

    Though consider that your logic may be flawed, because it applies the logical rules governing the human created environment to the environment of the cosmos.

    No god is needed for complexity to evolve. An extraordinary complexity can evolve from quite simple rules of nature. Have you ever played "The game of Life"?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway's_Game_of_Life

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  15. valich Registered Senior Member

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    The argument as to whether god exists or not belongs on the "Religion" subject forum, not on "Earth Science."

    Your statement would create quite a commotion there because you are now stating that God has changed: that he/she is going from "beyond the need for a body, and is a [only now a] universal mind."

    If you continue to dwell on the subject on this thread, you're going way off the subject. But, if you post a new thread under the "Reiligious" category using this assumption, your going to get a lot more progress for your posting.
     
  16. Pi-Sudoku Slightly extreme Registered Senior Member

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    what about Bose-Einstein
     
  17. protostar Registered Senior Member

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    man, you people need to relax. God does tie into this particular thread
    weather you are a believer or not is your perogitive. anyone can state
    any belief they have weather you like it or not.
     
  18. valich Registered Senior Member

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    God is Dead! There is no place for belief in God or even a belief in a spiritual force to explain Nature anymore. That hypothetical belief only complicates scientific explanations and serves as a crutch for people to fall back on for what has yet to be explained.
     
  19. Xylene Valued Senior Member

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    The problem is, valich, when people start threads with titles like "Do You Believe in Evolution", aren't you immediately going to get people applying religious logic (or illogic) to the argument? It's unavoidable, really.
     
  20. valich Registered Senior Member

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    Througout this entire extremely long forum the subject has never been brought up: the answer is "no"! The above repy was the first. Are you trying to make it into a problem and thus close the thread? This issue belongs on a different category forum: not here. It is not a subject of evolution, it is a subject of creationism.
     
  21. Frisbinator Registered Senior Member

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    This is ridiculous, how could you or anyone else know that God is dead? The very definition of what God is negates the fact that you would know if he was dead or not, or if he even could die.
     
  22. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    Don't have to trust you. It's been shown long ago that the scientific method is incapable of proving anything. Knowledge can never be entirely justified. Science works through falsification.

    No matter how much evidence you gather for a scientific concept, you can never be guaranteed that a future experiment can invalidate the whole thing.

    The problem is infinity. We can never run through an infinite number of tests. And we can never be sure if there isn't more tests that can be performed.
     
  23. valich Registered Senior Member

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    So you don't believe in a scientific method: first ask questions, then form a hyporthesis, then test that hypothesis, then make a conclusion or results, then let others test that hypothesis to see if it holds up, then form a theory. Then a law that holds under all currently known physical conditions?

    And your better alternative is: Magic? Spontaneous thoughts? Inthoughout dreams? Hearsay? Rumors? Religious beliefs? Mythology?
     

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