Do trees have feelings?

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by davewhite04, Jul 28, 2008.

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Do trees have feelings?

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  1. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    I like classical music. Does that count ? I have read of music being played in greenhouse to speed up the growth of tomatoes.

    I do not expect everyone else to be ignorant of what feelings are but I have no guarantee that our understanding of what that means will be in agreement. I make no claims to being a mind reader.


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  3. Enmos Staff Member

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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    How do you know they have no nervous system? Aren't you anthropomorphizing your assumptions?


    http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/08/plant_pain.html

    You should read up on the experiments conducted on plants by Jagdish Chandra Bose.
     
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  7. Roman Banned Banned

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    No, he's not. He's... animalopomorphizing his assumptions. If a nervous system is defined as having nerves....
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    As if scientific definitions are set in stone.
     
  9. Enmos Staff Member

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    Huh ? :bugeye:
    How is asserting that plants have no nervous system anthropomorphizing ?

    I'm assuming that these result are controversial to say the least ?
    I'm willing to accept it if you come up with more articles, preferably published scientific ones.
    Also, can they actually feel anything if they don't have a centralized nervous system ? And, since it's rudimentary.. is it in use ?
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I'm willing to accept your assertion too, soon as you give me some published scientific information to support it.

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  11. draqon Banned Banned

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    yeah Enmos, show us that your assertion have any scientific basis whatsoever.
     
  12. Enmos Staff Member

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    I have looked around the web and I've come to the conclusion that I was wrong.
    Plants do have a basic nervous system.
    And their experience of "pain" is akin to the reaction described in my first post here (two posts back).
    So I'm still unsure whether or not this can be called feeling until it is clear what definition we are using.
     
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  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I'm surprised no one has continued the work that Bose did, it was so fascinating.
     
  15. Roman Banned Banned

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    I feel that if we were to call plants' rudimentary sensory system feeling, in the animal sense of the word, we would be anthropomorphizing.
     
  16. Enmos Staff Member

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    I have always been under the impression that plants reacted through hormone release only.. the release must be controlled by this rudimentary nervous system then ?
     
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  18. Enmos Staff Member

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    I agree. They do not feel in the same way animals do.. but still.. is it feeling ? I think so.
    Unless a level of consciousness is required to feel.. I'm unsure.
     
  19. Roman Banned Banned

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    It's pretty hard to know if a person has feelings. I'm not sure how we're going to figure out if plants have feelings.
     
  20. Enmos Staff Member

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    It depends on how we want to define "feeling".
    If the processes are analogous to animal feeling and the definition does not include a necessity of consciousness, I think we can say plants feel.
     
  21. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    I assumed this thread was being pursued tongue in cheek, but apparently I was wrong. I am astounded that anyone could believe trees have feelings, which is why I resoonded as I did.

    Let me clarify my position. I enjoy a bit of fun but sometimes my humour has a serious content. When I suggested that we should define our terms, I was thinking of how Socrates would have responded to the question. I even gave a ridiculous answer to the question of whether trees have a sense of time but nobody picked me up on it.

    I am aware that other pople have feelings but we use that word in more than one way. We may be referring to emotional responses or simply an ability to be aware of stimuli. For example, it could be asked what, if anything, a tree feels if I kick it. Humans talk of a loss of feeling in a limb for example. So my request for a definition of "feelings" was not entirely frivolous.

    Feeling in either of the senses refered to is associated with a brain and a nervous system. A tree lacks these and consequently cannot be said to have feelings, hence my attitude to the question. I cannot believe anyone would take the op seriously but it appears you do.

    If there is a definition of feeling which excludes a central nervous systen, I would be intrested to hear it.
     
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  22. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    no brains, no conciousness, no feelings

    Trees are simply complex chemistry, not real life.
     
  23. draqon Banned Banned

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    Humans are simply complex chemistry too...
     

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