Do machines already exceed human intelligence?

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Do machines already exceed human intelligence?

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  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. I don't know

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  4. The question doesn't make sense

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  1. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    This is a poll. Thank you to vote before posting any comment.

    Question: Do machines already exceed human intelligence?

    1. Calculators and computers can do complex maths far faster than humans, and more accurately.
    2. Programs can look at ten million pictures and pick out the criminal suspect in one of them in seconds.
    3. Autopilots can fly aircraft far more accurately and efficiently than humans can.
    4. Elevator controls effectively never make mistakes.
    5. Therefore, machines are already exceeding human intelligence in many areas.

    EB
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It really depends on how you're defining "intelligence". Machines exceed human performance at various specific tasks. Most people think of "intelligence" as a more general-purpose trait, though.
     
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  5. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    Do you accept that your pocket-calculator is more intelligent than you are?
    EB
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    The poll as stated makes little sense. Machine intelligence already exceeds human intelligence in MANY not ALL ways. The correct answer to the poll is "often."
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    At calculating? Yes. At creative writing? No.
     
  9. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    That's what you think but maybe not what most people think.
    I don't believe that a pocket calculator is more intelligent than I am.

    Intelligence
    1. The ability to acquire, understand, and use knowledge.

    EB
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Can you multiply faster than a pocket calculator?
     
  11. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    In specific tasks, yes. In general intelligence no.
     
  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    No, but like I said, it depends on how you want to measure or define intelligence.

    You quoted this: "1. The ability to acquire, understand, and use knowledge."

    Using that definition, I'd say my pocket calculator is not very intelligent. Wouldn't you?

    On the other hand, it is pretty fast at arithmetic and certain other mathematical calculations. Faster than I can do them manually, in many cases. How about you?
     
  13. Truck Captain Stumpy Registered Senior Member

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    all offered IMHO
    no. see James R above
    not without direct input from an outside source (usually human). that isn't intelligent any more than rocks are birds or flight-capable because rocks can be fired from a trebuchet
    so far, your arguments are all about speed-of-task and not intelligence. "if you judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree..."
    not without human input.
     
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  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Some people in some circumstances are outmatched in intelligence by a windshield wiper.
    http://thescienceexplorer.com/nature/flexible-fins-allow-fish-climb-trees
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488193/The-fish-survive-months-tree.html
    https://www.thesprucepets.com/some-fish-can-climb-trees-3969450
    The tree climbing fish do not appear to be among the more intelligent fish.

    Octopods can climb almost anything - and they do seem pretty bright. There's thinking happening behind those eyeballs - - -
     
  15. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    I've been waiting for someone to point this out. Domesticated humans are distressingly lacking in intelligence, and tech--like putting a freakin' screen on the auto dash, so that you don't even have to know how to back up a car--ain't helping.
     
  16. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I note the difference between Robinson Crusoe and Lord of the Flies, individual intelligence versus collective intelligence. Probably a hundred Crusoes die for every one that survives. Collectively, the intelligent save the unintelligent - but collectively we're also our own worst enemies.
     
  17. Truck Captain Stumpy Registered Senior Member

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    personally, I rather like this option, though I don't use it to back the vehicle.
    I just like knowing if there is a kid behind my vehicle...


    true that


    speaking from experience and my job - I agree with this.
     
  18. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    I think the balance has shifted quite dramatically since the Industrial Revolution, and even more so with the "advances" of the previous few decades.
     
  19. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, IF that is how people are using it. (Also, that was the first thing that popped into my head--there are countless better examples.) . But, it kinda goes without saying, things are seldom used strictly for their intended purposes.
     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. A great many embedded systems do very complex calculations without getting the numbers from a human - or any source other than the environment they are in. (Which is the same thing humans do BTW.)
    Be hard to argue that asteroids are not in flight.
    Speed is part of intelligence. I think everyone here would agree that if you have two people, and the first can do a task (say, math problems) more quickly and more accurately than the other, then the first person would be considered more intelligent in that skill.
     
  21. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    And speed obviously is not intelligence.
    EB
     
  22. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    All good with me, but my first post wasn't my arguments. I just wanted most people agree with me.
    EB
     
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  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. Just a part of it.
     

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