Do black holes really exist in the real world or are they just virtual objects

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by pluto2, Oct 30, 2013.

  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Does seeing the fanatical need to support a defunct anti mainstream science application, get you so totally confused?
    You sound quite immature in the way you twist and misunderstand what is put to you.
    But anyway, I have always had a soft spot for kids....so,
    [1] The article I presented is by a reputable person, namely the Professor of Physics at Quest University Canada.
    [2] When I talk of peer review [as is the custom in mainstream science] we talk of getting a new model that may contradict or change an incumbent theory, getting peer reviewed....Is that clear?????
    [3] Now once again, if you have a new model, or new evidence to present [which you havn't as you are just offering up old rehashed nonsense] then you should get it peer reviewed. It may mean the Nobel prize for you.
    [4] And finally, if you are so stupid and immature as to have missed my reply twice on BH magnetic fields, you are obviously trolling as you have done so often here.
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I just might add that BH's with magnetic fields [Kerr Newman] do see them neutralised over time, just as spin is eventually neutralised.
    In other words all BH's are destined to end up as simple Schwarzchild metric BH's, given time.
    Magnetic fields exist, Plasmas exist, but the controlling force in shaping the galaxy/Universe is without doubt gravity.
     
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  5. river Valued Senior Member

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    So your article was not peered reviewed , telling

    And as well , you have not researched , do BH produce galactic magnetic fields

    Also remember post #186

    Scientists generally agree that the jets must be made either of electrons and their antimatter partners, called positrons, or an even mix of electrons and protons. Recent theoretical and observational advances have pointed in the direction of the latter. The Swift data provides the most compelling evidence to date that the jets must have protons.
     
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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Even more telling is that it doesn't have to be. He supports the incumbent model which has passed peer review in an article, while rubbishing Plasma cosmology which has also been peer reviewed but failed.

    Your reputation here is really spot on.......I have missed much in my short time.
     
  8. river Valued Senior Member

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    Ah......

    What reputation do I have ...here

    Tell me

    Don't hold back

    Tell me straight up
     
  9. river Valued Senior Member

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    Not at all. Articles are only peer reviewed when the author wants to publish a new idea in journal. That’s the only purpose of the process. No textbook or set of lecture notes is ever peer reviewed. Just because something isn’t peer reviewed it doesn’t mean anything. And it especially doesn’t mean that there’s anything wrong with it.

    I find it really irritating that people make such remarks as if suspicion should be placed on a work. Shame on you!
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I'm only going on what other reputable forumites have said, although it has become obvious with our exchanges...That you are a troll, that you have raised this pseudoscience crap many times, and you insidiously ignore all evidence and reputable references given to you.
     
  12. river Valued Senior Member

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    They have said what , exactly and who are they


    I see

    So back to the OP

    Have you researched

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=does a...=-1&sk=&cvid=6d666491cbba44ada84418740cf3c61b

    And really , do you have any intentions of doing so
     
  13. Tach Banned Banned

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    You are conversing with a professional troll (river).
    On a serious basis, Kerr-Newmann and Reissner-Nordstrom are theoretical models of a type of black hole that has not been observed to date. It is not clear that they are supposed to end up as non-rotating, non-charged BH described by the Schwarzschild metric since there is no model for them stopping their rotation, nor for losing their charge.
     
  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I suppose some may think it not wise to feed him, my point is though, not letting him get away with such unsupported garbage.




    Firslt, I did not realise that neither models you mentioned have not been observed. My question would be, how could they be really sure?
    Or is that the point you are making???That is we cannot be certain?
    From what little I do know about BH's, I would say all, or most would be born with spin, since all stars have spin....Magnetic fields/Electric charge could also be a fossil property from the star they formed from......
    Further, wouldn't it be fairly logical to assume, that as either type of BH's lived out there life, both spin and charge would be negated...charge, by attracting opposite charge, and spin via reaction/friction with accretion disks and matter/energy generally.
     
  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Another question would be if Kerr Newman and Reisner Nordstrom were confirmed, and the negating of charge and spin were also confirmed, over what time scale would it happen?
    I would guess fairly large.
     
  16. river Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, good stuff, a Kerr/Newman BH obviously...
    From your link.....
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    The DNA nebula is about 80 light-years long. It's about 300 light-years from the supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way. The nebula is nearly perpendicular to the black hole, moving out of the galaxy at a quick clip-about 620 miles per second (1,000 kilometers per second).

    Magnetic field lines at the galactic center are about 1,000 times stronger than on Earth. They run perpendicular to the black hole, but parallel through the nebula. Scientists think that twisting of these lines is what causes the double helix shape.

    While the black hole might be the first culprit to come to mind, it's more likely that the magnetic field lines are anchored to a giant gas disk that orbits the black hole several light-years away, researchers say.
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    Yep, again, quite Interesting, and accepted mainstream cosmology, as applies with any BH jets.
     
  18. river Valued Senior Member

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    The helix is birkland currents
     
  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Caused by the spin of the BH and subsequent twisted magnetic field lines....Again, accepted mainstream cosmology explanations.
     
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    Typical crackpot thread that was to be expected from the forum's professional troll.

    Plasma/Electric Universe hypothesis has been long invalidated after peer review, and is now only pushed by one or two isolated and disgraced Astronomers and the usual conspiracy anti mainstream brigade.
     
  22. river Valued Senior Member

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    black hole are not the cause of these currents , nor the magnetic field of any galaxy

    the OP is , do black hole really exist in the real world or are they virtual

    they are virtual mathematical things

    a better understanding of the energy produced by BB , is by understanding Birkland currents and how they work
     
  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    The title of this thread was a legitimate question from someone who wants to learn.
    BH's are most certainly real, now, in the past and the future.
    If you have any other description for the observations we see, write a paper and submit it for peer review.
    The facts are obvious though...[1] As other have noted, you are a troll, [2] No description of the observations we see, match as well as GR, [3] Newtonian Mechanics even allow for BH's of sorts, known as Dark Stars, [4] And finally, the over riding force of the energy in the Universe, the objects of matter, BH's etc is gravity.

    You have yet to show any evidence invalidating mainstream models, and/or supporting your silly anti mainstream stance.
     

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