Do Atheists Come Out of the Closet?

Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by KilljoyKlown, Apr 16, 2011.

  1. 420Joey SF's Incontestable Pimp Valued Senior Member

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    You literally can experience even with sensory deprivation, if you think hard enough using your mind we can do it based on our frame of reference to reality (our senses) what is so special about this? Wellllll to an extent, we can create and experience. Not only in reproducing ways but in 'digital' ways we can manifest in 'digital' systems like thinking, dreaming, etc. as well as analog this to me is connecting to the source of consciousness the GOD frame of reference to reality.What is so special about this?Its like


    A bunch of shit rock and salt creating a computer with no one making it.
    I just believe it had to made with intent.

    Reality just seems to indicate some type of network........ I just think a host is neccessary. I dont know why but athiesm is a faith based system as well just the counterpart to it so untill we find more informationabout its OK to speculate and try to use reason and logic to paint a bigger picture THUS is the basis for philosophy.
     
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  3. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    @ Joey

    One quick question, is that new avatar of yours smoking pot?
     
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  7. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    True. But they are just speculations, not knowledge. Some people prefer knowledge over idle specualtions gleaned from a hash pipe.
     
  8. 420Joey SF's Incontestable Pimp Valued Senior Member

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    I dont know is not knowledge and people still position themselves in a religious argument with this umbrella response.

    If the discussion was based on science it would be a different story but its based on beliefs. What is your belief that you reserve one untill the sufficient evidence surfaces???

    Who cares!
     
  9. YoYoPapaya Trump/Norris - 2012 Registered Senior Member

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    And that's perfectly fine. Just don't confuse "belief" and "knowledge"

    no.

    Reason and logic yes. Not beliefs in whatever supernatural phenomenon for which you have no logical explanation or evidence. Then it's no longer philosophy but religion.
     
  10. 420Joey SF's Incontestable Pimp Valued Senior Member

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    There are logical explanations just not emperical evidence. Any speculation on premise of reality is going to be by default unscientifical. Even if science one day proved how quarks or whatever can self organize itself into something complex?? Is this really even proof of a scientific basis or is it arbituary in the sense that it can also be applied to a god concept?? Science has nothing to do with religion or philosophy. Get a clue. Define science.
     
  11. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    I try to avoid "belief". I'm comfortable saying "I don't know" until knowledge comes along.
     
  12. 420Joey SF's Incontestable Pimp Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah but I mean that goes without saying.
    If the thiests were presented evidence that shitted on there "beliefs" they would no longer conform to that "belief" in that sense are they atheists with "thiest" "beliefs"ordoes that make no sense?
     
  13. YoYoPapaya Trump/Norris - 2012 Registered Senior Member

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    Thats why religion constantly changes... because of knowledge about how shit around us work... whenever we get new knowledge that refute something in a magic book or a magic mind that religion/belief has to change to adapt to this new situation. Hence creationism and weird watered down theism like... well.. yours...
     
  14. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Believers are famous for ignoring evidence to the contrary.

    http://ncse.com/news/2009/04/setback-science-education-texas-004710
     
  15. 420Joey SF's Incontestable Pimp Valued Senior Member

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    Watered down thiesm is this not a hyperbole based on some predisposed bias?? what do you ahve to contrast my beleif besides I dont know to refute it. I dont understand how my belief in a digital framework is ridiculous and associated with religious systems when it is the same fundamental basis on any theory you can possibly think of in regards to a causeless state or on the preface of reality.

    How is my belief even thiest so to speak if I believe in there being no god except experience (the fabric of consciousness) seems to me like consciousness is evolved matter?
    Maybe making an analoge framework (beginining of space-timeframe) obsolete in the future... thus solving its own paradox of physical and digital.

    Trust me bro I want to ascribe to mroe based beliefs but this is the most sense I can make on reality without resorting to "i dont know...."

    and kicking a rock as im making fun of a thiest view with nothing to contrast or nothing to contibute to the discussion besdies clever troll tactic
     
  16. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    You are a deist, 420Joey. Like Thomas Jefferson and Einstein.
     
  17. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    But the truth is you don't know. Embrace the truth! There's nothing wrong with not knowing. It's the first step in learning and it's definitely preferable to making shit up.
     
  18. YoYoPapaya Trump/Norris - 2012 Registered Senior Member

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    I asked you to find the flaws in the logic of that equation but you didn't want to apparently.

    Reality doesn't have to make sense does it? I mean in a way that we are able to understand anyway.

    I don't need to contrast something that is merely speculation. I don't dislike you for believing stuff or anything. I'm just saying that it doesn't make sense to me to speculate about something that there is no logical reason to believe. That's all.

    Peace bro.
     
  19. 420Joey SF's Incontestable Pimp Valued Senior Member

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    I certainly dont claim to *know* anything besides that I dont know shit. The more I think I know the more I know for sure that I dont know shit.
     
  20. YoYoPapaya Trump/Norris - 2012 Registered Senior Member

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    I don't wanna argue. Let's just agree that both of us don't know shit

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