Do Aliens Exist?

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience Archive' started by pywakit, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

    in the movie contact(1997),
    there's a comment about this.

    start at 6:10
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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    The problem is that probability is not evidence nor is it anything more than qualified speculation.
    Logic would agree with you when you say that there MUST be other humanoid species. However logical proof or rational it self is not evidence.

    ie. Just because it is logical to be so does not mean that it is so."


    If Earths existence is such an IMPROBABLE fact and indeed the EARTH is found to exist [thus defying the odds] then the fact that the Earth may be the ONLY place in this universe harboring the Human species could just as like wise be IMPROBABLE [defying the odds]. Thus making the probability of the human species being unique to EARTH is just as high or low as the planet itself existing.

    What this means essentially is that the universe has proved that it is capable of both adhering to logical probability and also quite capable of blatantly ignoring it as well.
    So logical proof for the existence of ET Humans is essentially useless with out material evidence.
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  5. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member


    that's why i asked,

    " you made contact ? "

    and you replied with,

    " My only and I might add "reactive" answer is that you would not believe me if I told you. Or "until you understand the reality of the method of knowing your natural need for proof and evidence would be frustrated". So it is best to say nothing and let it go...or simply pay the price for teasing your audience... ",

    it appeared you were intentionally implying if you made contact.
    so now it appears you are just talking in circles.
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  7. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    I have made contact with a total of 5 (five) alien race groupings, by methods that are unable to be evidenced according to human science adequately.

    So, what does the above say that is any different to what I have already stated. Answer: Not much...

    Are they humanoid? Yes.
    Are they Human? One group ( let's call it Group 'P') [ 7 sub-races-inclusive ] could be said to be our direct ancestors [the "ancestral" source of our genome]. This group 'P' is not "directly-materially" aware of the other groups as the other groups are not a part of this Galaxy.
  8. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

    Did they say where they come from? Does the name of the place correspond to our own nomenclature of the stars? Have you looked it up to see how fast they or the information would have had to travel at?
  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    They [group P] didn't contact me... I found them via remote viewing techniques. [Example of one of the seven with in Group P, detail: I witnessed a child birth of an ET child in a room very similar to a hospital ward that we have here on Earth. The child was of distinctly "Asian-sino Chinese Japanese" appearance yet it's ET nature was also obvious. It's parents were likewise]
    During the remote viewing session "they " became aware of a alien witness[me] and shut down the session in fear. I have never been able to repeat it since with that particular sub-race]]

    Indications suggest that they know of Earth and normally remote viewing by humans of them is instinctively prohibited due to culture shock issues. [and privacy issues]
    The races of group 'P' involved are well past the technological level that we as humans live under. Distance is virtually irrelevant. They are psychically adept and utilize this ability in their technologies as par of course.

    example of how adept they are:
    "They could be standing right next to you and you would not know that they were"
    "You would only be able to witness/see what they are prepared to reveal."
    However one thing that they can't control is human ability to "dream" both while asleep and as a "hallucination/dream" whilst awake, so their existence becomes an intangible myth as the world tries to accommodate their reality. [culture shock]
    The Earth is an incredibly "Hostile" environment for them to visit. [Humans have yet to get a grip on their violent/paranoid natures - psychic and physically]
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2013
  10. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

  11. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

    An answer to op question would be with another question

    "Do we(humans) exist to ants?"

    Thats the best way of looking at this.

    Plus i answer yes to ops question, and we have known since at least end of ww2.

    Plus i do not think anyones with holding disclosure, i think there was an agreed time line some time after ww2, and its still going on to make society ready. I think its probably not in humans hands, and they are being ordered to do this, so saying people are with holding it is probably not true. Getting society ready to a point where the govs can be sure the population can take it, and govs know they can control the people no matter what happens. Thats alot of getting ready and alot of mind control techs to get going to make sure its fail safe.

    The mob is dangerous, not as dangerous as they where probably 100 years ago in 1st world countries but the gov i would assume have to make sure.
  12. Lakon Valued Senior Member


    Text book cases of hypnagogia, sound like, to me. One Dr Mavromatis has writtem a comprehensive work on this.
  13. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

    Never seen the article. Interesting and intriguing. Also some unanswered questions.
    What about the fathers side? And was it a mature adult or a "kid"? Could it have had offspring?
    Thanks for the information you gave. If you or anyone else has more please post it...
  14. Bebelina Valued Senior Member

    First I thought those photos were fake, but now when they have published more it at least looks like a doll or a real skeleton. Well, according to a Swedish non-realiable newspaper, the creature has human DNA and lived up 6-8 years. Maybe it's a fairy? Or one of Prince's ancestors?
  15. Dufoe Registered Member

    Here's something to think about: What are the top 5 most abundant elements in the universe and what are the top 5 most abundant in the human body?

    Universe: Hydrogen, Helium, Oxygen, Carbon, Nitrogen
    Humans: Hydrogen, Oxygen, Carbon, Nitrogen, other (Helium is chemically inert)

    Our chemistry is based on Carbon, the most chemically active element on the periodic table. You can make more kinds of molecules out of Carbon than you can out of all the other elements combined.

    So, our chemistry is based on the most logical element for it to be based on, 4th most abundant in the universe. We are made of the exact same elements that comprise the most abundant in the universe. There's nothing special about our chemistry, so why should we hold the ego centric view that we are so special?
  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    all I can really say about this is clearly stated in the quote from the wiki article below:

    In other words science in the West, know jack shit about what is called "hypnagogia". It is a bit like the coined term "psychoneuroimmunology" that has suddenly become popular. [ essentially "the scientific study of psycho-somatics", ]

    It is true that most initial psychic development occurs during the cognizance of "mental, sensory experience" during the hypnagogia phases of life.IMO. However most persons who have studied themselves adequately soon move on to better understandings than that what is currently held by science. [Either that or they become dysfunctional and fall under the medication paradigm the West is offering.]

    The article provided says nothing except that it is under scrutiny, and that science currently knows very little about this crucial phase.

    It is worth noting that the Yogis of Nepal, Tibet and India and Chinese/Japanese philosophical schools have been studying this field for thousands of years. In Fact key Buddhist practices are directly related.
  17. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    but what if the so called aliens were of human DNA any way? What if human DNA is as common as life sustaining planets are?
    What if human DNA is directly related to the existence of water in liquid form. etc...
    Why do we have to conclude that Aliens have to be of a unique DNA?
  18. Lakon Valued Senior Member

    Here is another piece from the Wiki article;

    Gurstelle and Oliveira distinguish a state which they call daytime parahypnagogia (DPH), the spontaneous intrusion of a flash image or dreamlike thought or insight into one's waking consciousness. DPH is typically encountered when one is "tired, bored, suffering from attention fatigue, and/or engaged in a passive activity." The exact nature of the episode may be forgotten even though the individual remembers having had such an experience.[55] Gustelle and Oliveira define DPH as "dissociative, trance-like, [...] but, unlike a daydream, [...] not self-directed"—however, daydreams and waking reveries are often characterised as "passive", "effortless",[56] and "spontaneous",[16] while hypnagogia itself can sometimes be influenced by a form of autosuggestion, or "passive concentration",[57] so these sorts of episode may in fact constitute a continuum between directed fantasy and the more spontaneous varieties of hypnagogia. Others have emphasized the connections between fantasy, daydreaming, dreams and hypnosis.[58]

    I personally find the hypnagogic state one of the most interesting things ever, and have tried hard and long to observe it further, with some utterly fascinating results. Great care in credibility needs to be taken however. It is easy to delude oneself into believing simple dreams (albeit on the isthmus of wake and sleep) are something more than simple dreams, fantasy, etc.
  19. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    It is indeed a fascinating and often overwhelming area of "accidental" research for many who fail to cope with the disciplines needed and end up very ill because of it. The use of various "illegal" drugs [LSD , Mushrooms, even petrol smelling etc etc..] tend to amplify this state forcing the person into a "psychedelic" experience that can destroy their futures. It also is incredibly addictive in many ways and once "Pandora**" has escaped her box it isn't possible to put her back. the only solution is to learn to master what you find...and for most this simply is not possible given that the Western world is totally un supportive of the various realities the hypnagogic state can present.. example : the Akashic records are accessed via this state, but if accessed before appropriate disciplines are achieved will screw that person over big time [due to intense information over load]. I normally do not recommend experimentation at all with this state and refuse to discuss it in public, to avoid accidentally or inadvertently tempting others to entertain experimentation as the results can be utterly disastrous.

    ** And as Sisyphus would complain to Zeus every time that damn rock rolled over his foot; "Ouch boss, that hurt!"
  20. Bebelina Valued Senior Member

    Yes, I thought about that too, aliens might have the same dna as humans.
  21. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

    No two humans have the same DNA unless they are identical twins, and it didn't look like anyone I know so you will find it has quite a lot of variations compared to normal human DNA. So what part of the alien DNA was similar to human?
    In species verification tests they look at proteins. Humans produce human proteins. Have they checked that aspect?
  22. Lakon Valued Senior Member

    Two edged sword, I would say. Sure, the mentally unbalanced (due to drugs or whatever else) could have great problems. But to a more stable mind, it is an interesting area of study or observation. Also, I would think that the more advanced meditation states / techniques are this by another name.

    Talking about 'this by another name' I don't know much about this 'Akashic records' thing you referred to, but a cursory enquiry about it reminds me of the holographic universe bussiness, holographic principal, etc.

    Finally .. and I hesitate to ask you this but I will anyway, I recall that in some posts up, you said you had met aliens at some psychic level ? Is it not easier (Occams razor style) to believe they were, or the episode was, a figment of your imagination in such a hypnogogic state ? I ask this, becuase I will tell you of an interesting hypnagogic state I found myself in some time ago. I kid you not, I found myself in a bakery but whilst the bakers were all baking bread, they were also threatening, and menacingly so, each other and me with meat cleavers. The episode was long, detailed, and so realistic, that a more fragile or gullible mind, would have been inclined to attribute some reality to it. But I'm quite sure it was just pure fantasy on my part - as are, Alas, the, emm, hypnagogic interludes I might have with numerous nublie blondes (and brunnettes, too).
  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    As I said I am very reluctant to discuss this state due to concerns about promoting experimentation beyond what a person may naturally self discover.

    Your post however is interesting and neutral enough to offer the following.
    Yes you are quite correct in suggesting that the experience of an Alien childbirth [this one specific instance] could just as easily be considered as a "information slice presented in the form of 3 dimensional imagery" that was more to do with subconscious ramblings and needs than actual reality.
    However there are very strong reasons to believe other wise, that I can not elaborate too much upon.
    To help explain, years ago, when confronted with an almost permanent symptomatic existence in the hypnagogic state due to experiencing a particular and very nasty form of stroke I had to learn intuitively somehow how to differentiate between imaginary self projections and reality. This is not an easy task I might add given no previous experience with any of this stuff what so ever and that every experience in this state had to be considered as surreal and of no actual reality other than that of a self projected/created one.
    A bit like being trapped in a dream state permanently whether asleep or awake and having to learn the techniques necessary to manage and eventually master such a condition.
    I discovered a very strong set of rules [ rules of evidence ] that was necessary to prevent continuously deluding myself.
    The primary rule is that it requires a minimum of at least 3 independent sources of evidential support before the experience can be deemed worthy of considering as valid.
    Brutal self honesty is required at all times. If the above are not followed to the letter one can find themselves utterly lost in the labyrinth of what amounts to an effective infinite amount of information that is available. Finding context was critical.
    When experiencing the child birth I did so not because I was deliberately looking for it but because I was pulled or "sucked" in towards it and forced to witness and not by choice. I had absolutely no interest in Aliens at the time and if I was asked I probably would have said "Some other time, thank you..." [At the time I could barely walk and feed myself let alone be interested in some alien encounter.]

    This is only one point of the three reference points necessary before any form of validation is available.

    The other two points of reference that occurred over the next two years or so, happened also involuntarily and whilst the actual child birth can not be validated the fact that the race exists as real using the typical meaning of the word, can.

    The method of validation is no different to that which we use every day, therefore one can conclude that the reality of the race is as real as you are real.
    I wont specify details as to the many points of independent reference involved....since...but I am satisfied that the event I experienced in this instance and many like it have a degree of validity not unlike chatting on the internet.

    The biggest issue is the ego and how inflated special experiences can make it. It is in the proper management of the ego [self esteem] that affords the greatest amount of control and to be honest it is virtually impossible given the pressure supplied and applied by all interested parties both psychically [zero dimensional] and in 4 dimensional reality.

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