Discussion: Is pedophilia pseudoscience?

Discussion in 'Formal debates' started by James R, Feb 25, 2009.

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  1. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    other than the fact it contains at least one lie, nothing.
    fine, agreed.
    nice to know you consider "licking the genitals of newborns" such a desirable topic.
    sick.
     
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  3. theobserver is a simple guy... Registered Senior Member

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    I am willing to discuss about anything that involves human behavior. There is no such thing as personal desire when it comes to discussions. Every topic is important and I don't consider it as wise to think that my existing set of knowledge is sufficient enough and true.
     
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  5. scott3x Banned Banned

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    Why on earth would they? Has he used the f word or an f word derivative, called someone stupid, an idiot or some other base insult of this nature in the post?


    For the record, I will state that -some- adult/minor relationship will -certainly- harm the minor. Some minor/minor and adult/adult relationships will also hurt one or both parties involved. Does this mean that we should ban all relationships because someone might get hurt?
     
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  7. scott3x Banned Banned

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    Not exactly leopold. Judges are the people who interpret the law. I got my legal definition of a child straight from wikipedia. I'll quote it for you:
    The legal definition of "child" generally refers to a minor, otherwise known as a person younger than the age of majority.
     
  8. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    scott, listen.
    neither you, nor i, can interpret the law in this area.
    it doesn't matter what you or i "think" the law means.
    only the collective will of the people can determine what that interpretation is.
     
  9. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    and again . . . . :wallbang:
     
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  10. scott3x Banned Banned

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    Sure we can. However, considering the fact that I'm not a judge and I don't believe you are either, our voices may not have as much of an affect as you or I might like. Nevertheless, I am content to do what I can in an attempt to get far more then judges interpreting the law in a more favourable way on this issue, but for the laws themselves to be changed.


    Again, I disagree.


    Judges don't exactly work that way, although they can certainly be influenced by the people. However, in western countries like Canada and the U.S., the people elect politicians who -make- the laws and select the top judges, and who are therefore much more important then who interprets said laws.
     
  11. theobserver is a simple guy... Registered Senior Member

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    And if we can prove that the same collective will of people are based on pseudoscience???
     
  12. scott3x Banned Banned

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    Good point. I think the majority would still get away with it though; that is, until enough people realized that it was based on pseudoscience.
     
  13. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    i'm not arguing this point with you any longer scott.
     
  14. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    science, nor pseudoscience, has anything to do with this.
    neither one is a requirement for our nations sex laws.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You should not enter such discussions if its difficult for you to debate a point of view without accepting it.

    How do you think this stuff is studied?

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  16. theobserver is a simple guy... Registered Senior Member

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    If so how did they changed the laws for homosexuality? Because of collective will?
     
  17. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    don't you mean "accepting the possibility of it"?

    possibly because what goes on between two consenting adults is their business.
     
  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Moderator message:

    I am worried that, with multiple threads going on essentially the same topic, sciforums may be inviting pedophiles to grandstand. Therefore, I have decided to restrict the discussion to this single thread.

    The following threads are now closed:

    [thread=91065]Delete the pedophilia threads[/thread]
    [thread=91128]Delete the "Delete the paedophilia threads" thread.[/thread]
    [thread=91145]Delete the "Delete the 'Delete the paedophilia threads' thread." thread.[/thread]
    [thread=91146]delete the delete the delete the huh?[/thread]
    [thread=91013]gluon's ban/phlogistician's complaint [/thread]
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe you should delete the threads, since they will still be searchable?

    Anyway, in response to your question:

    There is an interesting article in the Archives of Sexual Behaviour Dec 2002 issue, by Richard Green, entitled "Is Pedophilia a Mental Disorder?"

    The article requires academic access, but its salient points are discussed here.

    There is a book I am waiting on, [spurred by this discussion at an earlier point in sciforums], called Pedophilia: Biosocial Dimensions reviewed here

    In general, academic consensus seems to be moving away from defining it as a mental or behavioural disorder.

    To answer your question, there does not appear to a boundary of age or sex in bonobos.

    According to this blog author:

    http://newfoundlandnews.blogspot.com/2007/10/origins-of-affectionate-kissing-vs.html
     
  20. scott3x Banned Banned

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    This post is in response to the 1st part of James' post 256 in the Delete the paedophilia threads thread:

    The way I define sexual abuse, I'd heartily agree. I would also state that adults never enjoy sexual abuse either. I personally was speaking of a wanted sexual interaction, however, and have presented evidence that makes it clear that some wanted adult/minor sexual interactions are beneficial to all involved, -despite- society's general condemnation of such interactions.
     
  21. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    That appears to be the case. In my opinion, describing pedophiles as mentally deranged is unhelpful. They are not insane; they know exactly what they are doing when they molest children.

    I'm not sure about the definition of "behavioural disorder", as opposed to "mental disorder".

    Of course, even if pedophilia is "normal" for a segment of the human population, it doesn't follow at all that society should allow or accept the sexual abuse of children by pedophiles. The harms to the child victims obviously vastly outweigh any good that might come from permitting pedophiles their freedom to exploit the innocent.
     
  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    scott3x,

    I note that you ignored me when I informed you that children neither initiate nor desire sex with adults. You appear to be living in a pedophile fantasy land.
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Clearly, you're not interested in an objective discussion on sexuality, so I'll just leave it here.
     
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