Discussion: Alien Abductions are Happening

Discussion in 'Formal debates' started by darksidZz, Dec 14, 2007.

  1. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    But you are being told lies, half truths and embellishments all of the time so how can you believe what anyone "reports" when it's all a fabrication of reality just to get your interest up?
     
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  3. Cannon Registered Senior Member

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    more than a billion stars could fit on a grain of sand if you hold it to the sky. Most certainly the god's being defined as superior beings have studied us. Proof of this matter is the ongoing genetic program they have. Genetic pools only get smaller. How has ours grown?
     
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  5. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    I would like to say I don't believe in aliens what so ever. I even laugh about it when the topic comes up.

    But.......
    After watching that movie Fire in the Sky I feel somewhat on edge when we are out in the middle of nowhere in the pitch dark and see something really weird in the sky.

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  7. Yorda Registered Senior Member

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  8. Yorda Registered Senior Member

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    ufo that looks like an alien spacecraft: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H6sEbDLb1o

    in this age of materialism and technology, we expect to see "aliens", so that's why we see aliens. it all started in the 1950s, and back then they made lots of UFO movies. before our modern age, we saw fairies. if you study some folklore you can find clear similarities between them and these "aliens" that we see nowadays. they also used to abduct people.

    it was probably the nazis (1940s) who started all this. they made UFOs that looked like flying saucers. people thought they were spacecrafts. the nazi-age was a time of great change, maybe like the year 2012 will be.

    http://www.naziufos.com/

    if you want to understand how fairies can turn into grey aliens, and dragons and flying carpets turn into ufos (spacecrafts), learn about the astral realm and ethereal worlds.
     
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  9. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Do you know the definition of ''alien?''
     
  10. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    That movie was made by people who either experienced contact or worked closely with people who did. You can feel it.
     
  11. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    Check out this OP Ed by Nick Pope, the author of "Open Skies, Closed Minds," was in charge of U.F.O. investigations for the British Ministry of Defense from 1991 to 1994. from yesterday:
    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/29/opinion/edpope.php
    I realize this does not address the abduction theory directly, but it combats the knee jerk dismissal of UFO sightings which run on the same psychology as the dismissals of abductions.
     
  12. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    Yorda your sentiment that popular culture is solely responsible for the increasing interest / awareness of UFO's or Abductions is echoed by many people. However it was David Jacobs who first made me aware that the opposite might be true. Popular Culture merely picked up on something already happening for a long time and then it picked more momentum up as it permeated through. Even more scary is his assertion that because abductions are increasing in number the popular culture is becoming more aware of this.... I doubt popular culture is solely the culprit in either event

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  13. Gustav Banned Banned

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    is that not how it usually works? the fringe goes mainstream? a whisper becomes a shout?

    "opposite might be true"?

    nigger please
    this is an instance where conventional wisdom actually holds its own
     
  14. Gustav Banned Banned

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    ja
    lets demand rsvp's too
    who the hell here "expects"?
    since when is it a goddamn given that they exist and, hang in the hood?


    ja
    people have gone to the moon. saddam had wmd's

    /state of disbelief and confusion
     
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  15. jessiej920 Shake them dice and roll 'em Valued Senior Member

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    I'm truly interested in this topic, but because science (as far as we know) has yet to find any evidence beyond eye-witness accounts, personal experiences etc. then in some ways it does seem silly to contemplate...yet...

    Obviously, whether or not aliens are actually abducting people, it is a phenomena that is happening to many people all over the world from different cultures and backgrounds with many of them reporting the same situations, characterstics, experiences etc. without having any previous knowledge of such.

    I have to agree when you say that reported abductions by otherworldly beings have been happening long before the term "alien" and "UFO" was ever used. Fairies, Goblins, Elves, Air-ships, God/esses, demons, Angels, succubus/incubus etc. and there has been evidence of these reports documented throughout history.

    Whatever is actually happening, I don't think we can just deny that it's happening at all just because of lack of evidence. Obviously something is at play, but what? If it is some kind of not yet understood psychological phenomena or what...who knows...but not everyone who has claimed abduction has done it for noteriety...in fact many people don't want to report such things because they don't want to be seen as crazy. And if it is a combo of sleep paralysis/dreams or night terrors, why do they all share the same characteristics, what causes people to think that Greys are taking them away for experimentation or whatever, what purpose would it serve?

    There have been cases where entire groups of people have experienced the phenomena or entire families, even very young children. If they all planned it as a hoax it would take serious and rigorous group cooperation and lots of hard work, all for what...15 minutes of fame in which they will then be doubted, accused, ostracized, called crazy etc? It seems too pointless.

    Anyway, I think completely denying something is happening is foolish and damaging to the people it happens too. Lack of evidence sucks, but maybe in the future some will be found. It's safer to think that aliens don't exist and that abductions are not happening because then we don't have to fear it. But what if they are? What would that mean for our world?
     
  16. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    Does that mean we should abandon our legal system...which accepts eye witness accounts as evidence?
     
  17. jessiej920 Shake them dice and roll 'em Valued Senior Member

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    EXACTLY!! Great point. No, I don't think we should abandon our legal system...I mean think of how many crimes have been solved because of eye-witness testimony. Someone says they saw a rape, science can investigate, gather evidence, collect samples...put the pieces together. Rape happens all the time. People report being raped so often, or we hear about it so often, that it is no longer unintelligible to us.

    So why is it, when someone says "hey, last night my family and I were abducted by aliens. We all saw the UFO. It came down and took us. Our neighbors saw it too, but the aliens didn't take them" everyone runs around calling them crazy? It sounds crazy. But then forcing someone to have brutal and sometimes fatal sexual relations against their will sounds crazy to me too.

    Obviously enough people have said they've been abducted by aliens that it is a world-wide phenomena, but still considered pseudoscience. Why? What if it is really happening? If it isn't, why do so many people keep saying it is happening to them? Why doesn't their eye-witness testimony count for anything?
     
  18. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    And that is one way to look at the issue:
    it is a very strange phenomenon.

    You can sit at home and assume that the people who claim to have been abducted all fit your mental image of the brain addled person who makes such claims. But actually you will meet a wide range of people, many of whom are very rational about, well, pretty much most issues, people who hold down jobs, many of them professionals, whether blue collar or white collar, have familes and complicated social lives, etc. And when they sit there, one after another soberly and often reluctantly describing their experiences, you will have to reevaluate.

    Do I mean you will then believe there are aliens abducting? No. I am sure the effects of this kind of repeated encounter would vary.

    But, you would, at least most of you, be convinced that something very odd is going on in most countries around the world, whether physical, mental or whatever. Something is happening that gnaw at you. How could so many otherwise rational people end up claiming to have these experiences?

    What does that mean? (this is a rhetorical question. I know all the explanations that explain away the phenomenon and reassure the one who believe their hypotheses - made as little armchair generals with no experience at all of the people they hypothesize about .

    It is always amazing how people who think experience is a poor way to develop knowledge somehow allow themselves to use
    lack of experience
    as the basis of their theories.
     
  19. jessiej920 Shake them dice and roll 'em Valued Senior Member

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    I agree. Many people who have had abduction experiences are just average people trying to live their lives who have had something happen to them that they can't explain and when they try to explain it people call them crazy and science shuts the proverbial door in their face. What else are people supposed to think?

    Obviously it's wide-spread enough that people can't deny the existence of the phenomena, but no one WANTS to believe. It's much easier to say 'oh, they had a bad acid trip' or 'maybe their insane' or 'they just want fame'...but what about the people who don't even want to report their experiences? We have support groups offered for abductee victims and yet no real scientific back-up to the existence of the phenomena? It seems odd to me.
     
  20. Yorda Registered Senior Member

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    because science doesn't know what it is. science studies the physical world, but the alien abduction and UFO phenomena are beyond the physical world. pseudoscience = beyond science.

    The very earliest reports of entities involved primarily humanlike beings. And while the human types in the form of the blond 'Nordics' were once responsible for about a quarter of the total cases, since the 1960s they have not been quite as common. Similarly, the hairy dwarfs that were reported so frequently in the 1950s are rather infrequent in contemporary accounts.
    ... [P]rior to 1987, when Whitley Strieber's Communion and Budd Hopkins's Intruders were published in England, less than a quarter of the entities reported in Britain's abduction cases were of the small, bald-headed entities. But after the books appeared there, more than half of the cases involved the 'American standardized alien' ... Because American abduction cases get more publicity than any other such cases, it seems as if the image of the Gray has been more or less imposed on the rest of the world as the standard alien type. [2]

    http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/ufo3.htm#u7
     
  21. Meganeura The Stuff Of Dreams. Registered Senior Member

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    Alien abductions? What scientific evidence do we have?
     
  22. jessiej920 Shake them dice and roll 'em Valued Senior Member

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    It seems not much is beyond science these days unless people want it to stay there. I've read Communion...found it fascinating...still, it doesn't prove anything. I used Greys for lack of a better term. How about Alien Being.
     
  23. synthesizer-patel Sweep the leg Johnny! Valued Senior Member

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    Actually its not nearly as widespread as those whose livelihoods depend on ufo book royalties etc would have you beleive.

    here's some real numbers and real analysis for you:

    (Taken from "The Science of the Discworld" by Terry Pratchwet, Ian Stewart, and Jack Cohen)
     

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