Diagnosis of tumor by hallucinatory voices

Discussion in 'Parapsychology' started by Magical Realist, Dec 6, 2018.

  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

    This is a fascinating case that is documented in a couple of medical journals and deserves some serious attention. A woman with no previous illness begins hearing voices in her head speaking to her, and after a few experiences of confirming the information they gave her, they tell her to get a brain scan for a tumor at one of the best hospitals for this procedure. She does so and it turns out they were right. After surgery she makes a full recovery and the voices stop. Here's the details of the case. 3 possible explanations are given in the conclusion. See what you think.

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  3. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    It is like I have always said ...these scientists and doctors simply underestimate the power of the paranormal stuff and treat it as though it is a pile of superstitious dellusional unsupported nonsence ...and when events like this present on an irregular unpredictable basis do they acknowledge that there is something that they are missing? No of course not.

    They put too much emphasis on book learning and completely ignore anything mystical and fall back on wanting evidence and proof.

    I bet theses scientists would want evidence that she just didnot make up the voices when they know she cant prove that she heard the voices.

    Typical trickyness of scientists demanding evidence and not taking her at her word.

    She heard the voices what more do they expect?

    I mean what more do they want?

    Thank you MR for the wonderful story...

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  5. Neddy Bate Valued Senior Member

    If I suddenly started hearing voices in my head talking to me, I would likewise assume that I had a brain tumor.
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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    I can hear a voice in my head but so can others around me...because it actually is my voice☺.
  8. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

    If the voices had told her to look for an ovarian tumour, I'd be more impressed.
    Brain tumours often manifest in hallucinations -auditory being the most common.
    We have no recording of what the "voices" actually said; she might have done a bit of post-editing, filled in the details she couldn't recall clearly, had a little unwitting instruction. With the best intentions, you can only classify the case as "indeterminate". It can go in the X files as "pending".
  9. Bells Staff Member

    I do not really see how this is so shocking.

    She had exhibited no other signs of illness and she appears to suddenly start hearing voices in her head.. And apparently those voices told her to seek medical care by way of a scan and treatment.. The brain is an amazing organ that can manifest all sorts of things. As others have noted, the sudden onset of symptoms screamed there was something wrong. Is it possible she did a bit of embellishing in regards to what the voices were telling her? Perhaps.

    Your link shows that the doctors (including the fellow who wrote the study as he advises he also treated her) showed a gross level of incompetence in not ordering any scans when she first presented with those symptoms.
  10. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

    I don't think it's exactly fair to ridicule, say, psychology as a science in that way. Freud himself was a neurologist by profession before psychoanalysis existed. At the time of his death he was writing a book that seemed to suggest mental illness could be cured just by drugs i.e. chemicals. I think you'd be hard pressed to think that people in the field wouldn't acknowledge the brain as the Holy Grail and how mysterious it is.

  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

    Any voices dare attempt to get into my head, and I tell them where to get off!!!

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  12. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    I was having a shot at those on the other side... ridicule by reversal.

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