Descriptions of After-life including Hell

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  1. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    One can actually verify or substantiate the existence of an after-life while still living as a body through occasional experiences with the ineffable spiritual reality (personal story), however it would continue to remain as nothing more than a scientific theory and/ or blind faith within the mind.



    Hell as portrayed by preacher from "Finish the Song" (not the complete scene) ...

     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    All experience is passed through the needle-eye of perception and cerebral processing.

    How is it possible, even in principle, to conclude that it is hell (an objective, extant place), as opposed to an hallucination?

    For just a moment, consider a dream. (I'm not equating them, I'm simply analogizing.) One experiences what seem to be fairly real (if hallucinatory) sights, sounds, smells, and feelings. We know they're dreams because - well - they didn't really happen.

    But what if you were only one in a million people who had dreams, and the rest of the world did not? You might very well conclude (through a lack of knowledge about unconsciousness) that you experienced a real transport to somewhere. But you'd be wrong.

    So how is this other form of - bizarre, subjective experience you mention - any more verifiable than the experiences in a dream?

    We know we can't trust our perceptions when we merely leave our brain to wander through unconsciousness for a few hours. Why on Earth would we assume we could trust them when our brain is in the highly disruptive process of dying?
     
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  5. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Who is we ? How can you verify someones pain or experience ? How can you apply science to it.
     
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  7. ForrestDean Registered Senior Member

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    There are many of us who personally verify the existence of life beyond this reality at anytime we choose on demand and do so continuously. This is not a gift or special ability. Anyone can do this.

    The events Tamara was experiencing in her "near death" experience was influenced by her perceptions and her beliefs. Everyone experiences projections of consciousness in their own unique way that is based upon a lifetime of beliefs and perceptions that have been ingrained and programmed into our subconscious since birth.
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly.

    Thus, the opening claim that we can "verify or substantiate" such things as an after-death "hell" experience is dead-in-the-water.
     
  9. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    As well as out of. I am referring to feedback between subjective perception and the supposed external.

    Because the body is meant as a temporary experience of the physical within the physical. Hence its duality.

    Incorrect. An hallucination is a product or distortion of the mind's imagination and thus at fault with reality. However, reality is ultimately the subjective/ metaphysical mind.

    Reality and mind in actuality are non-distinct. Because reality is a syndiffeonic object, the mind is contained by reality while reality is contained by the mind, thus forming a mutual respect between the two. Mathematically, such a mutual respect is expressed by the equation, reality - mind = 0. Where the mind is the subjective/ metaphysical container of reality and reality is the objective/ physical container of the mind.
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The question is: what litmus test do you use to determine which it is?

    Your self-stated goal is to "verify or substantiate the existence of" this afterlife.
     
  11. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    The experience of one's ineffable spiritual reality, not an imaginary entity or hallucination.
     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    And how does one distinguish a reality from a hallucination?
     
  13. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    The way we are both doing so.
     
  14. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    No, because until you are dead, you aren't dead. These aren't experiences of after death, they are experiences of dying, colored by one's culture and personal experiences in life.
     
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  15. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Okey dokey.
     
  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Neither of us currently have our faculties severely compromised by being in the midst of dying.
    Also, neither of us are currently experiencing something that cannot be verified by independent observers.

    The question stands:

    How does one 'verify and substantiate' that something such as this afterlife is objective and extant.
     
  17. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Hardly - you've shown little ability in distinguishing reality from hallucination.
     
  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    What is reality? Has anyone ever asked?
    Alex
     
  19. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Hell? Aliens possess us and alter our genetics creating animals. Aren't aliens green??
     
  20. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    I've been watching these kinds of shows lately, from what I'm seeing it doesn't matter who you are or how bad a person you were in real life when you die you're not judged for it. Strange concept but interesting none-the-less. A woman asked a spirit during her NDE if even Hitler was there, she was told yes. There is no hell only an afterlife and in it you are there for some use? I recall another bizarre story where a girl died, went there, she met a relative. This person told her that if her dad knew she was there he'd be very upset and to go back. However her father was already dead (the spirit knew this) which implies somehow the dead spirit of her father wasn't aware she'd died yet. Very, very interesting.
     
  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    No you cannot

    Yes it might but nothing will ever come of it

    Most of the human race

    Through investigation

    You can't and you don't but you can apply common sense

    There is no feedback

    There is no duality

    There is one body which contains various parts

    The brain controls the body through electrical nerves

    The stomach deals with digestion

    Won't go through the rest body and the two samples are simplified

    Incorrect

    A hallucination is a perception of something within the brain which does not exist in reality

    However, reality is ultimately the subjective/ metaphysical mind.

    metaphysical mind.
    <<< No such animal

    No there is no however

    Reality is a true occurrence or a true substantive thing

    syndiffeonic <<< Never heard of this

    Googled it

    Came up with this incomprehensible Cowpat

    Syndiffeonesis - The expression and/or existence of any difference relation entails a common medium and syntax. Reality is a relation, and every relation is a syndiffeonic relation exhibiting syndiffeonesis or "difference-in-sameness". Therefore, reality is a syndiffeonic relation. Syndiffeonesis implies that any assertion to the effect that two things are different implies that they are reductively the same; if their difference is real, then they both reduce to a common reality and are to that extent similar. Syndiffeonesis, the most general of all reductive principles, forms the basis of a new view of the relational structure of reality.

    http://megafoundation.org/Teleologic/main.htm

    Another word I was unsure about

    in·ef·fa·ble
    \(ˌ)i-ˈne-fə-bəl\
    adjective
    • : too great, powerful, beautiful, etc., to be described or expressed
    Mirriam-Webster

    So
    So to break it down

    The experience of one's ineffable (too great, powerful, beautiful, etc., to be described or expressed) spiritual reality, not an imaginary entity or hallucination.

    which you have have described as spiritual reality

    ???

    Me thinks woo burried in a metre of Cowpat

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  22. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    No gods, no masters, no ghost in the machine.
     

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