see p14 post 269, p15 post 283. i am not trying to "disprove" anything. i stated "i was lied to" when i was taught evolution. and i was. the matter of the ayala quote surfaced when i posted what i found. it should also be pointed out that quite a few of my posts on this matter has been moved to other threads, some of which i did not create. it should also be pointed out that one of my posts has been edited by persons unknown. now, do you want to get spooky?