Democratic Socialism In Venezuela

Indeed. In fact, this is only the final step of degeneration of child rearing.

Traditional human societies have large, extended families. So, if the parents fail, the extended family will care. This usually does not mean taking away the child, but simply providing what the parents fail to provide.

The modern reduction of the extended family to the nuclear family has destroyed this human child security system. Now, the failure of the nuclear family (something which always happened quite often, but is not dangerous if there is an extended family to care) becomes much more fatal. What the state provides as a replacement is clearly inferior, because taking away a child is a huge trauma even if the parents are a failure. The extended family, instead, cares about the child, simply by providing what the parents fail to provide, without the trauma of taking them away from their parents.

The inferior but spontaneously created replacement was the local community - neighbors and so on. This environment, as far as it supported similar child care replacement once the nuclear family fails, has been systematically destroyed by the child abuse hysteria. Today everybody who would provide some support for children which are neglected by their parents risks to be considered as a child abuser, thus, nobody is doing this. The nuclear family is destroyed not only by increasing divorce rates, families are increasingly not even created. And even if there is a family, the pressure to go to work and to leave child education to institutions increases too, minimizing the positive influence created by the remaining nuclear families.

The result is already fatal. But it will become even worse.

 

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That wasn't ordinarily "failure" of the parents, but everybody - including the parents - doing their normal job. The extended family was not only backup, but primary.

The industrial revolution did that - corporate capitalism, with its "labor market", in particular.

It even destroyed the nuclear family, among the vulnerable - via slavery, workplace oppression via bigotry, etc. The US family structure among the formerly enslaved and still oppressed has yet to recover.

 

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Again, we're going to have to return to specific examples.

A Government owned School? Do you conciser this to fall under the umbrella of 'Socialism'?
A Privately owned School run as a business? Do you conciser this to fall under the umbrella of 'Socialism'?

 

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"It"
You mean factories? What? You want to return to when most people worked on a farm, and/or starved to death?

How ......insane....

Here's a fact: Japanese families are, for the most part, intact. As a matter of fact, it's when Japan Inc was a manufacturing powerhouse, that Japanese families are the most intact. And, for the most part, women are expected to marry by 30, quit their job, and begin raising their families. Including teaching their children how to read and write. Something many can do in at least one alphabet by age 7, and four by the time they graduate. Of course, due to the demographics, thanks to Socialism and a distorting of the price mechanism, more young women are working to care for all the elderly. Some unable to afford families of their own. That said, Japanese is in a 'Workers' renaissance. Labor is needed in Japan.

I guess they didn't get the memo: Unity in Diversity. Thank the Gods, Japan refuses all economic refugees and those that do come to live in Japan, find they'd prefer living elsewhere. You know, the ole' When in Rome.... easier said than done.

In the 1950s, a single working father in America, could raise a family of 5 on a single income and could afford most amenities in MI - a capitalistic factory churning powerhouse. It's not capital investment, private enterprise, and certainly not the shift from the farm to assembly line labor that has destroyed the family in the USA.


I have question. Suppose "the Government" gives a 250 million dollar research grant to a couple of total bullshitters. You know, a couple of professors who found the cure to cancer. They spend the money. By which time the Government has changed over a few times. Of course, because they were full of shit - nothing comes from it. Actually, something comes from it. The public 'servants' at the 'public' institutes they run learn that bullshitting is the way to make money - including a fat 6 with sweet pensions. Instead of 2 bullshitters, you have 200 bullshitters. Each trying to out lie the other. Anyone with any sense, and means, leave - most going to work in industry, not having the stomach for the level of deceit required to work in a public institution.

Here's my question: How many of your typical working families does it take to repay 250 million dollars with interest in, say, 10 years. Like a 10yr T bond. Oh, wait now, it takes a lot more than 250 million to run these institutes. Tack on another 100 million a year. So, say 10 years, 1.25 billion. How many of y our typical American families, will have to be soaked of their yearly tax to repay 1.25 billion in tax?

I'm just wondering - because this is really NOTHING compared to real waste. A small pea. Not even noticed on a plate of pork.

 

Nice how importing industrial capitalism after the bugs have been partly worked out, and having strangers knock the military slag off the top of the pyramid gratis, can set one up.

In the US, the capitalist corporation was the main factor in the destruction of the American family - epitomized by plantation slavery.

No, we've already done that with you. You learned nothing.

Apply your definition. It's really not that difficult. You, too, can quit posting nonsense like Obamacare is socialist, and come to recognize the existence of rightwing authoritarian government. It does exist. It almost permanently wrecked Venezuela, long ago - they dug partway out. Then the Dutch Disease hit. They tried to work out of it by Leftwing authoritarian government, which led to ruination by a couple of decades of Central Planning and strongman rule unable to cope with climate changes. What's next - restoration of the banana republic of so long ago? Close alliance with the US leading to narco-cartels taking over? The climate returns to previous norms, refilling the hydropower reservoir and making everyone forget what just happened?

Who knows.

If he was white. Unions - they work.

 

Of course, different traditional societies differ in this point. But afaik in all societies the natural mother plays the main role in rearing her own children. The role of the father is less certain, with societies where brothers of the mother play the father role, and others there the whole male part of the tribe educates the boys, and other variants. Nonetheless, in most societies the father plays an important role too.

What I have heard is that their family structure is not only not recovering, but becoming even more damaged. But I guess this is only racist propaganda from evil Breitbart or so.

 

It is not really possible to do more damage than was done by slavery, barring holocaust. Even under the Jim Crow laws and overt bigotry of the century that followed emancipation, family structure among former slaves strengthened. Since then, the fortunes of the economy and circumstance have hit black people harder than others in America, and damaged their families more, in all the ways that such events do damage - which is natural, considering the general vulnerability and lack of accumulated resources that is the legacy of slavery in the US.

Anything you get from Breitbart is of course deceptive and manipulative. That's what Breitbart does.

 

Laws require enforcement mechanisms. Oh no. Look at the violence inherent in the system! Even your ideal system. One could argue that control of the means of production is a human right. Self defense is a similar human right which also requires violence.

 

Don't change the context. Damage in general is something completely different to damage to the family structure. Then, my claim was clearly about what happens actually, not what has happened during slavery itself.

The point being? Why you repeat this, despite my repeted claims that I'm not a reader of your beloved Breitbart site. I tend to follow links from my preferred sites (which I prefer because they are full of links to everything they claim) to the original. AFAIR the question was about the joke to ask Putin if he can find copies of Clinton's missing emails. This joke is funny, and in no way damaged by the fact that it is made on your beloved Breitbart site.

AFAIU, instead of Putin the NSA or so seems to have helped, not?

 

The context, your context in the comment quoted, was damage to the family structure from slavery until now. My comment accepted your context.

You brought it up, specifically, in post 126. You have posted from it, keep mentioning it, etc. I don't know why. It is a pretty good example of a branch the American rightwing authoritarian media operations you cannot defend yourself against, but not the only one.

And the fish takes the bait.

 

Starving Venezuelans Break Into Zoo And Eat Equally Starving Animals

Progressive "Democratic" Socialism, destroying one society at a time, so you don't have to.

We deserve a Liveable Wage.
And 15 for 15.
And Free K - 14
And Free Healthcare
And Free Internet
And free free, free free free.

How long before we get our very own Hugo. Let's see if WarHarpy can't pave the way.

 

How do you type with your fingers stuck in your ears - voice recognition software?

Centralized authoritarian control of the Venezuelan economy has wrecked the place, especially agriculture, going back more than a century now. Strongman (including colonial) government does not actually work, in a modern industrial economy, unless the strongman is wise enough to protect (keep his and his BoB's hands off) private agriculture and industry (this may be impossible with a dominant industrial resource, such as oil has been for decades in Venezuela - the Resource Curse).

Chavez did not come to power in a prosperous, thriving, economically solid country.

That given, the single most significant event in the current troubles was probably (barring the US crash) a change in the weather - their hydropower reservoirs ran dry. And we are going to see more of that kind of event (Syria, Tibet) just as we are going to see more assigning of blame to whomever is around when the failure to handle it bites down. Because the weather is going to keep changing.

The daytime highs in parts of Iraq have been hitting the high 40sC, spiking into the low 50s, since June - three months now. The nighttime lows have been even farther from precedent. It's been dry, fortunately. Farther east, into the coastal regions of Iran and Pakistan, the humidity off the Persian Gulf has made such temperature spikes borderline lethal. If any of the port cities and agricultural lands of the Persian and Hormuz gulfs become uninhabitable in the summer, and this could happen suddenly and soon, we will see things that make Venezuela and Syria look fairly tame.

 

That's why we're going to keep our eye on Progressive "Democratic" poster-children Authoritarian Socialists: Sweden and Germany. But, I'm sure, you'll have more excuses when their time comes. Which, in some no-go zones, is here, now. What's your excuse this time? Russia? The moon? America? Government currency? Government-regulated Banks? Government Schools? VW? Toyota? China?

Whatever it is, what will be, will be.

 

It's doing the same to our society. Beginning with the Centralized Authoritarian control over our money. Which it uses to exert control (through 'regulation') over all other aspects of our lives. From healthcare to education. ALL markets have been distorted, the price of labor, the price of coffee, the price of a home...... generational welfare, generational-never-ending warfare, wars on drugs, terrorism, liberty, privacy, and on and on it goes.

The only reason we've lasted this long is we have a mixed economy, a shit-ton of oil to burn and plenty of ecosystems to destroy. A free-ish market that allows for some semblance of a price-mechanism and oil makes up the difference with the costs being passed on to the environment. It's why we need 'multiculturalism' because we need moar people. Moar and moar and moar..... Had we even attempted once to live within our means, this Ponzi scam would have come crashing to a halt decades ago.

 

Both of those economies are market capitalistic. Neither one has a notably authoritarian government. Sweden has been waiting 150 years for its "time to come", Germany for sixty or seventy. Go back that far in Venezuela, you find it under military dictatorship - about to transition to a few years of functional democracy, and then the international capitalists landed: http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/corruption-democracy-venezuela

 

Via the Independent: Man 'dismembered and eaten by inmates' during Venezuela prison riot.

Another sunny day in Progressive "Democratic" Socialist paradise Venezuela.

Hell, they've been eating little children in that other Worker's Paradise, North Korea, for decades. They call it Special Soup. See, we're much more civilized in our Progressive Paradise, we just sell T-bond obligations against their future labor, and then restrict housing supplies so that they're trapped renting to a SlumLord, with their worthless GiverMint school degree, working for a rent-seeker in some regulated 'market' like fastfood.

Much more civil - don't you think? I don't expect to see Americans cannibalizing one another for many decades to come.



YAY for State Authoritarianism!
Destroying society, one public institution at a time - so you don't have to.

 

You do realize this in no way proves that socialism doesn't work. All it proves is that the global society, including the U.S.A, is not advanced enough to work together... yet.

 

Socialism only works when you have something to socialize. If they had more time to prepare, they could have used their oil money to invest in something with a future.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by 'proves'. Socialism is measured over time, it's not possible to 'prove' anything about it. Other than to conclude from the data, Statist Authoritarianism (Socialism), when tried, doesn't produce as much prosperity relative to free societies. Probably due to interference with the price mechanism. Will it be possible to use State coercion to produce a prosperous society? Possibly. But why would anyone try that direction when a freer, moral society, is more likely to produce prosperity?

 

Um, no.