Define the term 'civilisation'

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Xylene, Dec 2, 2005.

  1. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

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    Jesus was real, although it is unlikely he turned water into wine.

    Didn't the spanish destroy the Incans with just 400 soldiers? I would hardly call that bullying. Civilizations conquer and spread influence. Conflict is vehicle of advancement.

    The arabs accomplished many good things, including the preservation of ancient knowledge that might not have survived.

    Two things wrong with this: First, I believe there were more than the accepted six. Second, how can we blame an entire civilization for the shortsighted mistake of some military general?

    Psshh. And here I was thinking the Mongols had something to do with it? Fact is Rome was in a slow state of decay. They could have easily adopted the more tolerant Gnostic version of Christianity, and who knows, we might be 1200years ahead of star-trek. That's just whimsical speculation.

    There were some amazing christian teachers. For example, clement of Alexandria or he French schools that taught reincarnation (before being slaughtered by the Catholics.)

    I think overall the dark ages were a good lesson for humanity.
     
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  3. Roman Banned Banned

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    The Conquista happened with such speed because of some really fortuitous timing on the part of the Spanish.

    Cortez arrived in Central America in time for the Year of the Reed when a white God was supposed to return, and he was welcomed as one.

    Shortening a long story, Cortez was able to unite all the kingdoms oppressed by the Aztecs and lead a large army against the capital. Smallpox had already drastically reduced the Aztecan army, devestating the population. The capital fell.

    Smallpox cleaned up the rest.

    The Incans in the south had had a king and his heir die, so the kingdom fell to two brothers, who immediately went to war over the crown. After tearing the kingdom apart (an estimated 100,000 people died during the war), one brother finally won. The winning brother punished the losers very, very harshly (crippling them by dropping rocks on their backs, aborting fetuses and displaying them on spikes).

    The Spanish then went to go meet the king with 200 Spanish soldiers, cannons, horses and a thousand locals. They took the king hostage while rendezvousing, fought off a force of several thousand, and then forced the hostage king to call off his generals, which he did.

    Then the empire began to crumble, as different parts of the kingdom began rebelling, often allying themselves with the Spanish.

    The rest is history.
     
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  5. valich Registered Senior Member

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    What about the Mayans? Do we know how their civilization vanished yet? The surviving Mayans in the Yucatan, Mexico and Guatemala are a very proud, yet extremely friendly race of people.
     
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  7. Xylene Valued Senior Member

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    Both the city, as a built environment, and a cathedral, as a social institution, require enormous amounts of social organisation to put together and maintain. Therefore, you need mass-control, which can only be present on a large scale in an organised state.
     

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