Decomposition

Discussion in 'Chemistry' started by pluto2, May 31, 2008.

  1. draqon Banned Banned

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    Anyways...there is no such thing as a closed system
     
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  3. Enmos Staff Member

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    No one in their right mind does.
    Unless otherwise specified "decomposition" means decomposition of organic materials.
     
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  5. draqon Banned Banned

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    well than why are we having this discussion?!

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  7. Enmos Staff Member

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    There are..

    Anyway, I would like you to refute the closed system of the universe itself.
     
  8. Enmos Staff Member

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    :bugeye:
    Edit: Draqon, can you please answer post 20 ?
     
  9. draqon Banned Banned

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    String theory

    Critical density of universe is approximately 5 * 10^-30 grams per cubic centimeter ...

    If mass of universe is equal to critical mass: most likely scenario...
    If mass of universe is greater than critical mass: than gravity will someday collapse everything unto itself and this will be a closed universe
    If mass of universe if smaller than critical mass: than universe will expand forever and all stars will move away from each other and this will be an open universe


    What I am saying is that universe is an open system but there is a dark matter that exists for 70% of the universe and this matter acts in a different aspect as gravitation does...when universe reaches a point the dark matter will collapse clusters of stars upon itself to form black holes which will merge to form bigger black holes, until everything will merge into one black hole and form one point of singularity...the instant that point is reached a new Big Bang will occur...and so the universe will form again.
     
  10. draqon Banned Banned

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    Its my bad wording again, Enmos. Entropy is just a measure of matter distribution over area, the greater the entropy of material is the more it is permeatted over that volume/area. "Decomposition causes greater entropy" would be a correct way of saying it.
     
  11. Enmos Staff Member

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    Wrong. Since the universe is 'all there is', it is a closed system by definition.
    There is no 'outside of the universe'.
     
  12. Enmos Staff Member

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    Yes.
    Now look at the question posed in the OP again.
     
  13. draqon Banned Banned

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    and that is were I disagree...I see universe as a bubble, other universes (as bubbles) have a possibility of existing.
     
  14. draqon Banned Banned

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    Decomposition occurs because universe favors entropy.
     
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    "Universe" means 'all there is' by definition.
    If you say that there are other 'universes' (bubbles) then they are included in the universe.
     
  16. draqon Banned Banned

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    yes...but those other bubbles exist in a different dimensional space/frame/time and thus cannot be defined as "closed" "open" or "flat" ... they are there and that is all that can be said.
     
  17. Enmos Staff Member

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    Who told the micro-organisms that ?
    You are presuming the universe has purpose.
     
  18. draqon Banned Banned

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    Everything has purpose Enmos, if it did not...it would not exist.
     
  19. Enmos Staff Member

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    By above statement, all these bubbles are closed systems.. :shrug:
     
  20. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Supposition.
     
  21. Enmos Staff Member

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    How can something have purpose before it exists ?
     
  22. draqon Banned Banned

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    By your definition all these bubbles are themselves closed systems...alltogether make up the whole universe and thus the way bubbles universe are is not what universe is.

    Many closed systems within another system do not define whether that system is open or closed.
     
  23. draqon Banned Banned

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    It always exists and therefore has its existence as its purposed. Before is irrelevant as everything is cyclical.
     

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