Deception of Big Bang Theory

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by IceAgeCivilizations, Jan 24, 2007.

  1. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    The Big Bang Theory is deceptively predicated upon two contradictory notions, that the Universe must have an edge (bounded), expanded out from the Big Bang, and that the Universe is limitless (boundless), homogenous and endless.

    So why was this contradiction allowed into the BBT? Because if they were consistent with the theme of a beginning point, they would have to admit that the expanded matter must have an edge (bounded), but they couldn't bring themselves to admit this, because if they did, they would have to admit that gravitational time dilation was in force early in the expansion of matter, and so, those distant stars need not be billions of years old, much much less actually.

    A great book about this is "Starlight and Time" by Russell Humphreys.
     
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  3. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Not so, the Universe is not expanding away from a central point, like an explosion, but rather, everything is moving away from everything else. Therefore, there is no 'edge' per se.

    Again, not so. The Universe is about 14Bn years old, and as nothing can move faster than the speed of light, it can only be 14Bn light years wide (as motion is relative to other matter, not a central reference point.) Of course, this still does not imply the Universe is a perfect sphere, with an edge, it's an abstract concept.

    The Universe is clearly not Homogenous, or there would be no nebulae, stars, or planets. There would be no fluctuations in the cosmic microwave background. But we have these things so the Universe is certainly not homogenous.

    I already dealt with endless, the Universe is 14Bn light years across, not endless.
     
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  5. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    The supposed Big Bang would have a central beginning point, away from which the matter moved, so there's a center and an edge.

    With a center and an edge, gravitational time dilation was in force during expansion before the event horizon had collapsed to a significant degree, so at that time, the speed of light was drastically increased, because of gravitational time dilation, so those distant stars need not be billions, or even millions, of years of age.
     
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  7. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    It's not just matter expanding into space, isn't space expanding too? So there can be no edge, since we can't detect any space where there isn't space.
     
  8. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Space is matter.
     
  9. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    no it's not, energy is the same as matter. Space is the absence of evreything even when it's filled
     
  10. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Does not subatomic matter compose space?
     
  11. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    as for as I know space is nothing more then dimensions. Aftherall even the earth takes in space
     
  12. Oniw17 ascetic, sage, diogenes, bum? Valued Senior Member

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    How can space expand(exactly)? Should I start another thread for this question?
     
  13. D H Some other guy Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong.
    Wrong again.

    Most of space is void of matter. Our solar system is mostly empty space, with a few hiccoughs of non-empty space (the sun, planets, ...) The very tenuous gas between the sun and planets could be compressed into a very small planet. Our galaxy is mostly empty space. The interstellar gas is extremely tenuous. Intergallactic space is even more void of gas. Space is mostly emptiness. It is certainly not matter.
     
  14. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    "Even more void of gas," what is that supposed to mean?
     
  15. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    That would mean "having less gas than the solar system".

    Why would you call a theory a 'deception'?

    The fact that it is a theory states it is unsure.

    There is evidence that all parts of the universe are moving away from each other.

    The big bang is a sensible attempt to explain why.
     
  16. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Wrong. Everything is moving away from everything else. Try to work out a centre in this scenario. The analogy is dots on the surface of a balloon. As you inflate the balloon, all the dots get further apart, but there is no 'centre' of the curved surface they sit on. This also ties in with the misnomer about edges, as with this analogy, you would see that travel in one direction would eventually bring you back to your starting point.

    Ponder these things, read some science books and look at the evidence for the big bang, and forget this notion that it was some sort of explosion, .. it wasn't, it was the start of time and space and causality. For something to explode there would have had to have been something to explode, before anything existed, ... ponder that, ...
     
  17. EndLightEnd This too shall pass. Registered Senior Member

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    I think what hes trying to say is that even though we cannot detect where the center is, everything still originated from a singularity. I guess at one point there was a center, but not anymore.
     
  18. D H Some other guy Valued Senior Member

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    What phlogistician is saying is that there was and is no "center". In the balloon analogy, there is no center of the expansion on the surface of the balloon.

    While scientific theories can be disproven, no scientific theory is provable. While nothing in science is certain, a scientific theory has a lot more to it than the typical layman's "theory".

    The Big Bang theory has a lot behind it: The cosmic microwave background radiation, the nearly isotropic nature of that radiation, the observed expansion of the universe, ...
     
  19. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    There was a beginning "singularity," from where all the matter expanded out, center and edge resulting.

    Early in the expansion, before the event horizon had collapsed significantly, those distant forming stars "aged" rapidly, and the speed of light was at that time greatly accelerated, so those distant stars need be only thousands of years of age.
     
  20. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    No. Wrong. Stop writing, and start reading. Reading factual books.
     
  21. Communist Hamster Cricetulus griseus leninus Valued Senior Member

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    Funny, I can't find this in my bible. What edition are you reading?
     
  22. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    That's your rebuttal phlog? Lame.

    And Hamster, does it really bother you that Genesis history is corroborated by the necessitated gravitional time dilation early in the expansion of matter?
     
  23. imaplanck. Banned Banned

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    Youre just fitting scientific occurrence together with bible terms at random now.
     

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